Trouble with Flashback 2 Delay and TonePrint editor

[jaimeiniesta]

I use a TC Electronic Flashback 2 Delay pedal, and I’m quite happy with it, but I’m having some trouble trying to create my own presets. This pedal can be controlled using software called TonePrint Editor, and it allows you to store up to 3 presets on the pedal, but there’s some bug and I’m unable to save them, here’s a video that shows my frustration:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urazyixsqftjdoj/flashback2-toneprintbug.mov?dl=0

I’ve seen some people complaining about this issue too:

TC Electronic Tone Print Editor doesn't save user Tone Prints!?
byu/Reverbolo inguitarpedals

So, I’ve already contacted Thomann (where I bought it) to see if they can fix it, but I wanted to ask you if you’ve had problems using ToneEditor, or if you can recommend another delay pedal to use as a replacement in case this can’t be fixed.

[sunjamr]

This is the ultimate delay pedal. No software or apps needed. Check it out:

https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/guitar-pedals/delay-pedals/strymon-timeline-delay-pedal

I gave up on TC Helicon pedals several years ago.

Sunjamr Steve

[jaimeiniesta]

Looking great, thanks Sunjamr!

A bit too big and pricey but I’m definitely looking for one that lets me enter the exact milliseconds, as I often refer to guides like this one:

http://www.kitrae.net/music/David_Gilmour_Delay%20Time%20Library.html

Not depending on software is a big advantage for sure. I’m tired of losing a pedal because the company decides to stop supporting operating system upgrades.

[jaimeiniesta]

I may go for a TC Nova Delay as a cheaper alternative to that Strymon…

https://www.thomann.de/es/tc_electronic_nd1_nova_delay.htm

[Doug S]

Hello Jaime,
The toneprints you create are probably getting saved and stored in the pedal just fine. The problem is that those settings you changed are controlled by the potentiometers. You can set values in the editor, but as soon as you touch the knob or load a new toneprint they will change to whatever the knob mapping says they should be. Changing values as you’ve done will work for parameters that are not affected by any of the controls, but otherwise you need a different strategy.

What you can do is edit the graph for the Delay and Delay2 in the Mapping window of the toneprint editor. Click on the knob that controls them, then you could set the curve to be flat all the way across at your desired values (123 ms and 456 ms, for example), or set your desired value when the knob is fully counter-clockwise, or high noon – any setting you’ll remember and can dial in easily.

Another approach would be to set the delay parameters to your desired values as you did in the video and remove those parameters from the potentiometers in the mapping window. Then when you switch to that preset it won’t matter where the other knobs are pointing, the parameters will be what you set them to in the editor. You won’t be able to adjust them with the delay knob, but I think that might be what you want.

Doug S.

[jaimeiniesta]

Thanks a lot Doug, that makes sense! Well I wouldn’t have expected that, I thought storing a preset would govern all the parameters, but it looks like the knobs always takes precedence, and the preset just stores the processing algorithm so to say…

The workaround you propose makes sense too, but I think it’s too much hassle. I think I’ll explore other alternatives like the Nova Delay or the Strymon.

[snakechisler]

I’ve a TC delay as well never really bothered to do the editor thing but that’s a great tip Doug to set the exact parameters.

Will have to give it a go now.

Over in the UK the TC is 100 and the strymon tape delay is 300 and the timeline is 400 a completely different price point I’d recommend the TC to anyone it’s a great pedal with a lot of flexibility.

I’ve also seen multiple demo’s of the timeline it’s a beast of a delay

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