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T Bone Jumps Again/Midi Backing

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    • March 14, 2018 at 10:23 pm #95382
      Bob S
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        So this a bit of a mixed bag posting. But I posted here because I am playing the guitar.

        I have been transcribing a number of solos that catch my ear. This is one. It is a live performance of T Bone Walker’s T Bone Jumps again by a fellow named Alex (Zweibelrostbraten) Schultz. The nickname will clue you in to the YouTube version. I didn’t think it was worth linking to it. I have transcribed quite a few choruses but only learned three, plus the intro.

        The second element is the MIDI backing track. I have been using a free program called Impro-Visor for backing tracks. It is geared toward jazz and has this AI engine to produce backing tracks in different styles. If you like jazz, it has this thing called the imaginary book which has leadsheets to all the jazz standards. You load the lead sheet and it plays the rhythm. It’s a great practice aid if you are trying to improvise over a jazz tune. But it is not as good for rock or standard blues. It has a programmable module to create your own styles, and I took a shot at creating this track. Had to look into programming drum and bass patterns.

        The last experiment here was a amp simulator that I loaded into Reaper. Had never used this before. My guitar was recorded clean directly into Reaper and the reverb and gain was added later.

        Let me know what you think about any of this.

        Bob

      • March 14, 2018 at 10:57 pm #95384
        Bryce-AKguitar
        Keymaster

          Very nice Bob! You are sounding good!

          -Bryce
          Anchorage, Alaska

        • March 15, 2018 at 5:26 am #95399
          charjo
          Moderator

            That all worked very nicely, Bob. Enjoyed your playing and the guitar tone was terrific.
            John

          • March 15, 2018 at 5:44 am #95400
            Billy
            Participant

              I started listening to this then got distracted looking for backing tracks..Im another who enjoyed this too, loved the playing and feel..

              ..Billy..

            • March 15, 2018 at 7:35 am #95405
              sciencefiction
              Participant

                Nice job, Bob! You have the Mojo.
                To be able to transcribe it and play it is the utmost.
                I was wondering how you transcribe the lead parts. Do you use an ap like “Anytune”? (as Sunjamr describes in his recent EP080 Allman Brothers post). Or do you transcribe straight from the original “record” without having to slow things down?
                I was never able to transcribe successfully just playing it straight from the record. Notes just too fast and I could never figure out if I was playing it correctly or even going in the right direction. Now with an App tool to slow things down, I can see that there may be hope for me.
                Excellent–Larry

              • March 15, 2018 at 8:16 am #95408
                Don D.
                Moderator

                  That was great! Your playing and sound are both spot on.

                  Thanks for mentioning the Impro-Visor, someday.

                  I’m also interested in your transcription method.

                  With the way technology operates, there’s got to be an adequate program for transcribing single-note lines. Can’t even guess what’s keeping one or more of them from commercial availability. All you really need is a tuner that records the notes it senses.

                  Don D.

                • March 15, 2018 at 10:02 am #95412
                  Bob S
                  Participant

                    Thanks for the positive feedback.

                    In answer to Don and Larry asking about how I transcribe, I use a program called Transcribe!. It slows down the sound without changing the pitch, which a lot of other software will do. I think the original tempo of this tune was around 165 bpm, and I did most of my transcribing at about 70%. If I hit a difficult part I might go to 50%. Single note lines generally aren’t too bad for me. I struggle with chords and slowing down doesn’t help. The software does have a window which attempts to provide you with notes, but with bass, drums, and piano also playing, it doesn’t work so well. I am not familiar with Anytune, but what I like about Transcribe is that I can tap along to the tempo, and the software places beats and measure markers on the waveform display. This makes it a lot easier to keep track of where you are, and where things are happening in the measure.

                    After I figure out a section, I input it into Guitar Pro as tab. That way if I don’t play it for awhile, I can come back and relearn it. This is often the hardest part, in that I try to get the timing as close as I can to the recording, but to get it exact, I listen and play the timing on the recording.

                    Larry, I used to never transcribe, as I found it difficult. I don’t know if my ear has improved, but I don’t find it as hard as before. It is important, for me anyway, to have an idea of the underlying harmony, as it helps inform you as to likely places to start. Not so difficult in a standard blues, but some pieces completely lose me. I also think that it is easier to remember a tune after transcribing.

                    Bob

                    • March 15, 2018 at 2:11 pm #95423
                      sciencefiction
                      Participant

                        Thanks, Bob. That Transcribe program sounds very similar to what Anytune does. Both appear to have similar features.
                        Larry

                    • March 15, 2018 at 10:48 am #95416
                      Richard J.R
                      Participant

                        very nice bob, love that Bluesy sound, enjoyed that very much.
                        Rich J. R

                      • March 15, 2018 at 10:50 am #95417
                        Richard J.R
                        Participant

                          I meant bluesy!!!! lol

                        • March 15, 2018 at 2:34 pm #95424
                          BluGenes
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                            Pretty cool! I use a program called Melodyne. I can actually “extract” any instrument from any song with it. I can even covert it to midi. It is very very accurate, but, you do have to tweak the results a bit. It gives me the Key, the time signature and BPM as well.

                            In the interface, itlooks like a standard wav file going in, but, after it analyzes the music, it is represented like midi “blobs”. You can see every note (even noise) in the song.. (The noise is what you have to clean out.. )

                            this the wav or mp3 going in..
                            Wav img going in

                            After analysis

                            BPM Time signatue

                            You need the polyphonic version of the program, which starts at the “editor” version for this. Which costs $500 US.

                            Don't practice till you get it right, practice till you can't get it wrong.

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