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Pavanna – Luis Milan

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    • August 11, 2024 at 10:52 am #376344
      Geoff
      Participant

        Ok, I have been going through a ‘down’ phase on my electric guitar lately. Anybody who has been playing for long enough understands this – we just feel pooped out and uninspired and a general lack of desire to play. Of course it doesn’t help that I have been watching all the seasons of ‘Game of Thrones’ – anybody who has watched that show will know that it is just so darned addictive and, instead of playing, I have been completely hooked wanting to see the next episode after the last cliff hanger. If you want to keep playing guitar, DO NOT watch that show 🙂

        Fortunately for me, I still have my favorite style to fall back on and I absolutely love playing this Pavana by Luis Milan. I think Renaissance era Lute players were absolute masters of their craft and, this music, is really hard to express well. Hopefully, you will enjoy my poor imitation.

        If you enjoyed this, you might also like this one. One of the things important for classical guitar players is to build up a repertoire of pieces and, right now, I think I can manage about 40 minutes of continuous playing at least of easier pieces.

      • August 11, 2024 at 11:50 am #376347
        Ken
        Participant

          I like both Geoff. The second one seemed happier. Classical guitar is your calling and that is where your heart is. On this site, it’s great we can enjoy such a wide variety or guitar music.

          Ken F

          • August 11, 2024 at 5:36 pm #376367
            Geoff
            Participant

              True Ken. There is a whole lot more to the guitar than just the blues.

              One can go two ways:

              Become a master of a specific style and be outstanding in that.

              Work with many styles and be middling at all of them.

              I go with the second because I bore easily for better and for worse 😔

          • August 11, 2024 at 1:39 pm #376351
            San Luis Rey
            Participant

              Well done Geoff! When you finish GOT don’t start watching Billions. You’ll be hooked again!

              Mike

              • August 11, 2024 at 5:27 pm #376365
                Geoff
                Participant

                  Oh no Mike you should not have told me that! Now I will be getting hooked on another show 🤣

              • August 11, 2024 at 1:44 pm #376352
                AndréM
                Participant

                  I like the second one better, more joyous.
                  But both are excellent.

                  AndréM

                  AndréM

                  • August 11, 2024 at 5:39 pm #376368
                    Geoff
                    Participant

                      Really glad you liked these Andre.

                      In my case I really like the proud sombre sound of the Pavana but , then again, my ear always gravitates more to the minor key.

                  • August 11, 2024 at 2:01 pm #376354
                    Dieter
                    Participant

                      Wow Geoff, both pieces perfectly performed in spirit, playing technique and rhythm. You can clearly hear the different nuances of this great Renaissance music. Milan is a master of the spirited Spanish line and the more straightforward German influence. Incidentally, “Nachtanz” is also often amusingly referred to as “Hupfauf” (Jump up). The playful Italian influence, the great english songs and the French elegance are still missing. Do you perhaps have something else in your program?

                      Dieter

                      • August 11, 2024 at 5:32 pm #376366
                        Geoff
                        Participant

                          Hi Dieter. I maintain a bunch of styles in my repertoire and it is not easy to practice them all on a regular basis.

                          I find this style of music very technically challenging and the pieces require a lot of regular practice if I am not to go rusty on them very quickly.

                          What I am getting around to is, no, I don’t have many other pieces from this period at this level of difficulty. There is, of course, Robinson’s may and Packingtons Pound.

                      • August 11, 2024 at 10:40 pm #376374
                        Nick M
                        Participant

                          Amazing work Geoff. That looks very very technically difficult and I can definitely appreciate the work that went into getting it to sound as good as you played it. The quick chord shape changes and hitting the right strings with the right hand while letting it all sustain where you need it to. You did it with lightning speed and finesse. Thanks for the variety as well, I get bored of the blues so this is a refreshing listen.

                          Nick

                          • August 12, 2024 at 2:38 pm #376420
                            Geoff
                            Participant

                              That’s great to hear Nick because I know this style is not everybody’s taste.

                              I would say Renaissance and Baroque era Lute music makes use of a ‘carry over’ notes a lot. There is quite a bit of holding down the bass strings while playing the melody underneath – it can also go the other way round too. Thats part of what makes this music tricky to play – timing is pretty complex too.

                              PS: I appreciate your ‘George Benson’ style – I know that is not quite accurate but that lends something different on this forum too and I enjoy it.n You really do play very well.

                          • August 12, 2024 at 6:39 am #376392
                            JoeD1
                            Participant

                              Another wonderful display of classical Geoff. Both pieces looked extremely difficult but sounded really good. Had some quick 16th notes in there switching to chords. Very well done.

                              Joe

                              The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
                              Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
                              --Graeme Edge

                              • August 12, 2024 at 2:39 pm #376421
                                Geoff
                                Participant

                                  Thanks Joe. On the Savana the switching from the 16th notes to the chords was the hardest part – I don’t think I quite got the speed there but , hopefully, nobody noticed that 🙂

                              • August 12, 2024 at 1:11 pm #376413
                                David L
                                Participant

                                  These are both outstanding, Geoff. You always put a lot of emotion into your playing and it comes across very well. I agree with your comment about Renaissance era lute players. I would love to hear you perform Packington’s Pound, from the late 1500s.

                                • August 12, 2024 at 2:45 pm #376422
                                  Geoff
                                  Participant

                                    So glad you enjoyed these David. I think playing the lute, like the guitar, was a lifetime learning thing that musicians cultivated like a craft – constantly honing their skills and moving from place to place to perform. Hence the term – wandering minstrel. It might have been the one profession that allowed someone to ‘see the world’ and move from place to place back in the ‘Middle Ages / Renaissance’ period. Most other things, you were probably land bound close to where you were born your whole life.

                                    As it happens, Packington’s Pound is part of my repertoire so I will record it. One of the few ‘easier’ pieces from that era.

                                  • August 12, 2024 at 4:08 pm #376423
                                    Richard G
                                    Participant

                                      So well played on both Geoff, my preference would be the more light- hearted second on. They would certainly be a challenge to learn.
                                      On another note, don’t watch Succession or The Walking Dead, you never play guitar again. Ha ha

                                      Richard

                                      • August 13, 2024 at 9:43 am #376440
                                        Geoff
                                        Participant

                                          Thanks Richard. I think I am done with watching addictive shows after ‘Game of Thrones’. Hopefully, I will be able to get back into playing again.

                                      • August 13, 2024 at 6:13 pm #376444
                                        Garry
                                        Participant

                                          Great to wake up and hear you play some Milan Geoff. Beautifully played, I love that melancholy regal feel of lute music from that period. This one sounded familiar and I know I have played a Pavana or two in the past. Your second video also very enjoyable. I’ve said this before but I’m always amazed at your output of music. You’re a fast learner and top sight reader for sure. All the best! 😎🎸😎

                                          • August 14, 2024 at 9:27 am #376462
                                            Geoff
                                            Participant

                                              Thanks Garry, when I listen to the Pavanna, it’s like standing proud and I just can’t get over the somber seriousness of that piece.

                                              As I am sure you know, the nice thing about the sight reading is I only have to remember a piece partially to play it. I can do it with the easier pieced but not with the more advanced stuff. I played pieces like ‘Song of the Treadspinner’, ‘Recuerdos d la Alhambra’ quite recently but I cannot play them now – it is simply too hard to keep those in memory without practicing them continuously. Sight reading does not help me with those.

                                          • August 14, 2024 at 5:27 am #376452
                                            Helen Lazaridou
                                            Participant

                                              Congratulations my dearest friend!!!I managed to listen to Pavana again now that I’m on the beach and the reception is good💓💞I also enjoyed the second one,the more joyful one that you hadn’t sent me!!!Your playing is becoming more and more masterful and definitely more emotional at the same time Geoff!!!!If you ask me to choose of course I would say the first one❣️💓💞💗💖

                                              • August 14, 2024 at 9:29 am #376463
                                                Geoff
                                                Participant

                                                  Not at all surprised that you prefer the Pavanna Helen given your lean towards minor keys. I think it is my favorite piece from this era so far.

                                                  Glad you enjoyed this. I am working hard on video presentation these days.

                                              • August 14, 2024 at 7:46 am #376460
                                                Jeff
                                                Participant

                                                  Both sound beautiful to me. Your technique and ability have amazed me. I’ve watched your other posts and found them fascinating. Classical music is an inspiration for me. I love the fact that there is something more to it than what our modern ears process and are typically drawn to. Well done!

                                                  Too old for rock and roll but too young to die

                                                  • August 14, 2024 at 9:32 am #376464
                                                    Geoff
                                                    Participant

                                                      Hey thanks Jeff :). That’s the whole appeal for me. I enjoy playing blues but classical guitar music is just so subtle where every tiny little detail makes a difference. Unless you actually play it, that is something hard to truly appreciate.

                                                  • August 14, 2024 at 3:56 pm #376468
                                                    Byron
                                                    Participant

                                                      Nice one! I enjoyed it! It did sound medieval, pretty cool! Sounds hard to play as well!

                                                      Byron

                                                      • August 19, 2024 at 3:59 pm #376541
                                                        Geoff
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thanks Byron. It’s not really medieval, more like 100 years later. It is actually quite hard to find truly medieval music because much of it was not written as I understand it.

                                                      • August 15, 2024 at 7:39 am #376487
                                                        Guo, Tao
                                                        Participant

                                                          Don’t push yourself so hard Geoff, your music is unique here and I enjoyed both👍

                                                          P.S. You can skip the last season of GOT, not so much enjoying…😂

                                                          Friend of Ray (The Corgi)
                                                          Vive la music!
                                                          --- Tao

                                                          • August 19, 2024 at 3:57 pm #376540
                                                            Geoff
                                                            Participant

                                                              Thanks Tao. As it happens I watched the last season of GOT – I thought the ending was surprising but made sense. I think I am all clapped out on long season shows going forward 🙂

                                                          • August 26, 2024 at 10:42 pm #376712
                                                            Liam Innes
                                                            Participant

                                                              Another great slice of classical magic from you Geoff.

                                                              I liked the first one better.

                                                              The second one was still excellent and sounded very medieval to me.

                                                              It’s amazing that music from that long ago is still being played today and all from sheet reading only.

                                                              Keep up the great work sir.

                                                              Liam.

                                                              “We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. “

                                                              • August 27, 2024 at 6:18 pm #376717
                                                                Geoff
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Thanks much Liam, I wasn’t actually putting the two up for people to compare but that’s what they did anyway 🙂

                                                                  You are unusual preferring the first because most seemed to prefer the second. I love all music from this period but the Pavanna is probably my favorite too – it has that kind of Sombre dignified gravitas that we don’t hear as much in modern music.

                                                              • August 28, 2024 at 2:21 pm #376737
                                                                Guido
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Both beautiful and brilliantly played, Geoff!
                                                                  For sure you’re building a vast repertoire of classical guitar music, and when you run out of pieces you can always pull out your electric and play a sweet blues 😅 (I’m sure your ‘down’ phase with the electric will end soon).

                                                                  As I said I loved both, but I tent anyway to prefer the first one, the Pavana (may be because they say it’s very probably an Italian dance, born in Padova, a city very near to the city where I live? Who knows, may be 😅)!

                                                                  Guido

                                                                  • August 28, 2024 at 3:54 pm #376741
                                                                    Geoff
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Hey thanks for listening Guido 😁.

                                                                      The annoying thing is my memory is poor so , unless i am constantly working through my repertoire, I forget stuff. That is one of the challenges with classical guitar perhaps less of an issue with other styles. The thing that really gets me is I cannot retain the really hard stuff like “Recuerdos de la Alhambra ” or Asturias by Albeniz . Generally I get around it by maintaining easier pieces that I think are beautiful in their own right.

                                                                      I suspect you know more about the history of this music than I do. For me, I just like to play them. I do know that pieces from this era were named after Dances very commonly. I guess mist music from that time was for social gatherings so it makes sense.

                                                                      I absolutely LOVE that Pavanna. 😊

                                                                  • September 7, 2024 at 7:39 pm #377509
                                                                    Mike D
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Very well played, good to hear your inspired again…

                                                                      Yeah GOT can be addictive, lots of good character arcs ….

                                                                      Live on planet Earth ? You got the blues.

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