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I tried a blackguard Nacho one time. They are very popular lately. It’s a nice Tele but nothing stood out tone wise for me. I also struggle paying 8k for a guitar that is essentially assembled and relic’ed. Similar to Danocasters, it made sense when they were $1500 on The Gear Page, but prices have become high for what labor actually goes into them. Most of the T style guitars by these boutique builders are put together from bodies, necks sourced from mostly one guy (not Guitar Mill). They can even be ordered finished with aging, etc.. In fact you can build your own Tele from pieces purchased from Guitar Mill.
There are some builders that do cut their own wood, carve necks, build electronics and do an actual labor intensive lacquer/finish job (i.e., Lentz, Gross, etc.). For those, the higher cost makes sense. However, if you want am authentic looking Tele that is beat up to look old like a 50s Fender black guard, then Nacho, Whitfill, Danocaster are the ones targeting that sweet spot.
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Yep, never heard of those, William. So thanks for enlightening me. But here’s my question:
Why not buy the best – a real Fender MIA Telecaster – then get some 40 grit sandpaper, a wood rasp, a ballpeen hammer, a dash of paint stripper and attack it yourself? I reckon that would be tons of fun, kind of like the time I got so fed up with Windows computers that I laid mine on the driveway and drove over it several times. It didn’t work after that, but it was really satisfying in a DIY kind of way.
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Yep, never heard of those, William. So thanks for enlightening me. But here’s my question:
Why not buy the best – a real Fender MIA Telecaster – then get some 40 grit sandpaper, a wood rasp, a ballpeen hammer, a dash of paint stripper and attack it yourself? I reckon that would be tons of fun, kind of like the time I got so fed up with Windows computers that I laid mine on the driveway and drove over it several times. It didn’t work after that, but it was really satisfying in a DIY kind of way.
🤣😂🤣 I like the way you think!
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I look at guitars first as wonderful things to hold in my hands and entertain myself with, and second as investments. The cost of the Nacho is admittedly too high, but the new European prices are already way higher. What you can buy today for 8 will probably bring 10 in a year or so….maybe. The reason I asked if anyone had played one was the fact that playability is of course the first concern. The relic part of it is ridiculous to me, but for many that’s an attractive feature, I don’t really get it.
I own a Dano, it’s a wonderful instrument, plays great, feels great, lightly reliced. If I could justify it to the significant other I’d buy a 60’s tele, assuming I could find one. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I would be dollars ahead over the years if I had bought a few guitars that were what I thought were overpriced at the time. Guitars are much more fun than mutual funds. -
I look at guitars first as wonderful things to hold in my hands and entertain myself with, and second as investments. The cost of the Nacho is admittedly too high, but the new European prices are already way higher. What you can buy today for 8 will probably bring 10 in a year or so….maybe. The reason I asked if anyone had played one was the fact that playability is of course the first concern. The relic part of it is ridiculous to me, but for many that’s an attractive feature, I don’t really get it.
I own a Dano, it’s a wonderful instrument, plays great, feels great, lightly reliced. If I could justify it to the significant other I’d buy a 60’s tele, assuming I could find one. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I would be dollars ahead over the years if I had bought a few guitars that were what I thought were overpriced at the time. Guitars are much more fun than mutual funds.I totally get that. I found that the guitars I like tend to be a little on the expensive side. However, I also find that the more expensive recognized guitars tend to hold better value over time, sometimes increasing after 3-5 years. Also, they are easier to trade in for other guitars, often at higher values than I can sell them direct. The first guitar I purchased was a Collings D2H. I fell in love with the sound and story of Collings before the shop told me the price. At that time it was $2400. I still have that guitar and have enjoyed it and it sounds better and better with age. I could easily sell/trade it for $4k. Not as good of an investment as the stock market but considering I got to learn to play guitar and enjoy it this entire time, pretty great investment in life enjoyment, if you ask me. In general, I say buy the most expensive guitar you love, can afford and can still enjoy given the investment.
Btw – The Nacho I played felt great and played very nice. They also hold their value very well on used market. When they show up at The Music Emporium or Carters Vintage Guitars it seems they sell within 1-2 days, sometimes immediately. I like Lentz guitars better, but that comes down to personal taste and neck shape. A Fender custom shop tele will drop 50% value the minute you purchase it. Will take 5-10 years to return same value, if it ever does since they have been greatly over producing them the past few years. The Nacho guitars will always be somewhat scarce. Also, if you get ones with one-piece light-weight ash bodies ( that wood is disappearing fast!)
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Check out this one that recently sold at TME. That Tele sold same day it was posted. I heard from them that it was every bit as good as a Tele can be.
Nacho T-Style # 1118 (USED, 2023)
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Sorry, I will stop hijacking thread, but just noticed that Carter has two nachos in stock and one old Fender that they emulate. Nacho looks cheap compared to the vintage real thing. I also hate 7.25 radius finger boards. Much prefer the 9.5 on the Nacho.
https://cartervintage.com/shop/nacho-blackguard-telecaster-2022-blonde/2sMoYioZVKDGvtIKfyMMVAcbr19
https://cartervintage.com/shop/fender-guitar-1951-blonde/2OKg4cp2jqNzD3dgacNcPlybY9N
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Thanks for the replies, I realize I should have given a little more detail, I am more interested in the sixties style Teles he builds, they’re not so heavily reliced and have a slab style fingerboard. There aren’t many of those on the market. From what I understand he builds 12-14 guitars a month, the majority of those are the black guards. The 60’s white guards are lightly relied,nothing like the black guards.
The Dano is also lightly reliced, the neck and fingerboard are perfect, no dings, scratches, blemishes, but the body has a ding or two, and it does look like it’s been used. I was turned off by that at first, but I soon realized that there was an advantage to it, when I have a new, perfect guitar in my hands I’m always nervous a little about dinging it, which somewhere done the line always happens, with the Dano I never felt that way. Sense the subject of the heavy relic has been brought up, who buys those? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here playing one. The very expensive Fender Master Built guitars all seem overdone to me. I would think a Fender guitar built by one guy with a perfect finish would be desirable and a good investment, but what do I know, there’s a year or so wait for those beat up Masterbuilts. -
I like the look of relic’d guitars. I have owned a couple and agree that it is nice to not worry about putting a mark or ding on one. I have a few guitars that are “aged”. I like the look and feel. I prefer light to medium relic not the heavy relic look. That just looks like someone did not care for the guitar at all and let the kids drag it around on the street and in the dirt. A little too extreme for me. Is this sort of what you are interested in?
2022 Nacho Telecaster Whiteguard Aged Blonde
I recently traded in a guitar for this Tele. I love double bound Teles so much!
Lentz LVS Hyde Park T (USED, 2017)
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That’s the Nacho I’m looking for, well not that one but one like it, notice that one’s gone. The dealer I’m talking to said they were the most liquid guitars on the market, of course he’s selling, but from watching the past few months I agree with him. You’ve got me interested in taking a look at Lentz. I like the idea they build from scratch. I might give them a call this week. It appears the waiting list for them might be three or four months. I’ve probably missed my chance at the Nacho.
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