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Thanks to the sharp ear of AM member Michael Krailo my previous post was in the wrong key of Gm instead of Am. Then I posted another incorrect version changing the key to Bm instead of Am. I guess I need to learn how to change the tempo only in Logic Pro!
Anyway, here is the correct video in the correct key of Am (I hope)!
Joe
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
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Are you talking about that last recording you did Joe?
As long as you were in tune to the backing track I don’t see why it matters what key you were in 🤔. Great that you can flip keys so easily though.
Nice work by the way 😊
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My ears must be declining rapidly Joe. I definitely didn’t pick that up. I looked for your original to have another listen but it’s obviously been taken down. Off to get my ears checked! 😎🎸😎
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“As long as you were in tune to the backing track I don’t see why it matters what key you were in 🤔. Great that you can flip keys so easily though.”
I agree Geoff. I was only pointing out the fact that when Joe was playing an A note on his guitar it sounds like a B note which only makes sense when you are tuned down a whole step on your guitar. I still didn’t get an answer on my question about that.
In this version I hear a B where an A should be and a D where a C should be as it pertains to where on the neck Joe is playing however, Joe has successfully changed the key of the backing track somehow to match the weird tuning or sound coming out of the guitar. I assume you are in standard tuning and the DAW somehow shifted the key of the guitar. No idea why you would do that, but it is what it is.
So now the backing track is in an out of tune Bm and the sound of the guitar has been shifted up a whole step to match as close as it can. I think the case is closed now. Joe, you need DAW school just like me bro. If you mess with the speed one iota on your backing track it will jack everything up in the final recording. I’m no expert, but I have a fairly decent ear.
May I ask what motivated you to change the speed of the backing track? The speed of either the backing track or the guitar audio should never be changed, just shift the entire audio track on the timeline so they line up. There is another step in the process that I read about, but it escapes me now. It had something to do with a program called handbrake.
Go slow and practice correct technique, and your abilities will dramatically improve.
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Hi Michael. Oh yes, I guess we can put non-standard tunings on the guitar. I do it all the time with my classical (Drop-D) or Celtic styles (DAGDAD). From my point of view, if it doesn’t sound off, it’s OK but your hearing might be more acute than mine.
By the way, I change the speed of backing tracks all the time. Brian’s lessons are often too fast for me but the slow track too slow so I use my DAW to slow down the track slightly and play overt that. The Ableton software I use is great at doing that without distortion. By using a spike on your on track and the backing track it is easy to line them up in the next step where I will merge video with the sound – sounds complicated but pretty easy once figured out. Everybody has a different approach there I think.
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I asked Joe if he was working in a a dropped tuning and never got an answer, so that was one part of the confusion. If he was in standard tuning, then something in the DAW changed his guitar pitch. Not sure why anyone would do that?
I’m a noob recording guitar through a DAW, I have only watched a few video’s on doing it so I have a lot to learn about it. Slowing or speeding up the backing track is great if it does not change the pitch of the original track which I assume the software does that for you, however in Joe’s case, the track pitch is somehow changing which is not at all desirable IMO. Also, I would not want the software to change the pitch of my guitar either. I’m pretty sure everything sounded awesome when Joe played to the track, it’s just that something got processed weird somehow.
I’ll let him figure that out. I just wanted to let him know there was something funky with the way the final mix came out. I hope we both figure this recording thing out because I’ve been putting it off for a long time now.
Go slow and practice correct technique, and your abilities will dramatically improve.
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I’m in standard tuning Michael. Geoff answered why I slowed the tempo down…it was too fast for me to play.
In my first 2 recording attempts I accidentally changed the tempo and pitch. In this recording just the tempo alone of the backing track only was changed.
If you’re hearing the wrong notes now it must be my playing!
Joe
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
--Graeme Edge
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No, I don’t think it’s your playing at all. I can see you are pressing the correct notes on the frets but they sound a whole step higher than they should. That means your originally recorded audio was correct and somewhere in the processing, it got changed in your DAW software or mixing, or what I don’t know because I’m new to this. I just know your original audio got altered in a negative way.
I’m new to recording through a DI and using DAW program, but I spent some sleepless hours watching video’s on it last night. I’m about to install Studio 6 One and enter the recording game with you. I’m a complete noob with this stuff, so it should be interesting to see how it all works. I just have an Audiobox USB96 from Presonus which should do everything we are all doing to record guitar. If you do video, then there is the last process that fades out the original video audio, and uses the recorded audio that was processed through the DAW.
Whatever you do, don’t delete this thread. It might end up helping someone in the future if we figure this thing out.
Go slow and practice correct technique, and your abilities will dramatically improve.
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I think I may have gotten the wrong files in this YouTube upload. My problem is I don’t sit down with my guitar to make sure it’s correct after I’ve recorded. Anyway, you are correct that it is still in the wrong key! I’m going to upload another version so please, tell me it’s in the correct key Vincent! 🤪
Joe
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
--Graeme Edge
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I just listened to the first few licks and knew right away that it sounded 100% better. What did you do to fix the problem? We all need to learn from this. So glad you got it sorted out, and I hope everyone gives this another listen. Honestly, I don’t think I have every replayed anyone’s recording over and over more than yours, so you got my attention for sure.
Go slow and practice correct technique, and your abilities will dramatically improve.
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Honestly, it was a matter of organization! I had so many takes of this track I mixed them up and finally found the correct files to mix/master/upload.
Originally, the problem was changing the tempo only in my DAW. I did not set it to tempo only so it adjusted the tempo and pitch. Then I think I fixed that only to realize I had it set to the entire project rather than just the backing track.
I also don’t sit down with my guitar afterwards and make sure it’s in the correct key (and my ear is definitely not as good as yours).
Once you get into recording with DAWs you should begin to see what I’m talking about. At any rate, I’m glad I finally got it sorted out.
Joe
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
--Graeme Edge
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Thank you so much Joe, your insight into the things that can go wrong with digitally processing our recordings are very helpful. I very glad you got it sorted out and hope you come up with a plan to keep everything organized the next time around mixing block.
Go slow and practice correct technique, and your abilities will dramatically improve.
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