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Nitrocellulose finish & guitar stands

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  • This topic has 14 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 7 months ago by snakechisler.
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    • November 20, 2018 at 1:24 pm #117085
      Tim Lee
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        I’m looking to buy a guitar stand over the Thanksgiving sales and noticed that Musicians Friend has one but it says not for nitrocellulose finishes……how do you know whether your guitar has a nitrocellulose finish? Evidently if you put one of these finishes on the black neoprene tubular supports it can damage/fade the paint..

        Anyone know how to tell the finish?

        Tim

      • November 20, 2018 at 2:08 pm #117087
        Odin
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          First time I have heard this usually nitro is applied to the more expensive models as it takes longer to get the layers on, post what make model and someone might know or contact manufacturer.

          Appears lot of guitarists wrap their stands with cotton to protect the nitro.

        • November 20, 2018 at 3:21 pm #117089
          Tim Lee
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            Thanks Odin. I’m guessing my cheap guitars are polyurethane – just kinda threw me when I saw this – wouldn’t want to have to replace my expensive $150 guitars…..
            Tim

          • November 20, 2018 at 4:26 pm #117092
            Billy
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              Never heard of this before, I have no idea what the finishes are on any of my guitars, I’m surprised that a stand does any type of damage especially to electric guitars as the only part that touches the guitar is the neck brace on the stands I have..

              ..Billy..

            • November 20, 2018 at 4:48 pm #117096
              William F
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                Some of the older stands that had surgical tubing looking stuff will screw up a finish, I don’t know about the newer ones, but I always cut the fingers out of a pair of cheap cotton gloves and slip them over the part the guitar touches. I’m sure there are a hundred other ways to do the same thing.

              • November 20, 2018 at 6:20 pm #117101
                Tim Lee
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                  Billy,
                  I had never heard of this either till I looked at an ad for a guitar stand and they stated this. I’m guessing my guitars are polyurethane not nitro so should be ok.
                  Tim

                • November 20, 2018 at 7:23 pm #117102
                  Tim Lee
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                    https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/musicians-gear-triple-guitar-stand?rNtt=triple%20guitar%20stand&index=1#productDetail

                    Tim

                  • November 20, 2018 at 8:46 pm #117104
                    sunjamr
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                      First of all, what kind of incompetent company would manufacture a guitar stand that was not suitable for ALL guitars? And second of all, who would want a nitrocellulose finish? It’s poor quality (but fast drying) lacquer that was invented 100 years ago. It’s what Model-T Fords were painted with. Modern two-pot or moisture-cure polyurethane is far superior.

                      (Side Note: Most stuff sold as “polyurethane varnish” in hardware stores is fake polyurethane. It’s just regular solvent based varnish with particles of polyurethane mixed in.)

                      Sunjamr Steve

                    • November 20, 2018 at 8:56 pm #117107
                      charjo
                      Moderator

                        It’s true Tim, the black styrofoam padding on my guitar stand reacted with the nitrocellulose finish on my white strat resulting in a blackish stain. There actually was a warning in the documents within the case. Even the clip on tuner left a slight mark on the headstock. I have wrapped the contact areas on my stands with black cotton strips with no further problems. Nitrocellulose finishes are usually seen more on custom shop or limited run guitars.
                        I assume the idea is that nitrocellulose is a thinner coat that will allow more vibration within the body of the guitar. I guess it wears much more quickly to give that sought after relic finish of a well played guitar. Not for everybody I know.
                        John

                      • November 20, 2018 at 9:08 pm #117108
                        Tim Lee
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                          John,
                          Thanks. It would never have crossed my mind that this could happen to any guitar. As Steve says I don’t know why they would not produce a stand good for any finish. Must be a material/cost issue.
                          Tim

                        • November 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm #117109
                          Usernameinvalid
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                            sunjamr wrote:

                            First of all, what kind of incompetent company would manufacture a guitar stand that was not suitable for ALL guitars? And second of all, who would want a nitrocellulose finish?

                            Any stand with a vinyl cover will damage nitro finish on guitars.
                            Which is most cheap guitar stands.
                            Hercules guitar stands and wall hangers are nito finish safe.
                            Also cheap guitar straps with vinyl and not leather will also
                            damage the nitro finish on you guitar.

                            Who would want a nitro finish? Anyone who wants a Gibson (acoustic
                            or electric), Martin, high end Fender (acoustic or electric) and
                            most high end guitars.

                          • November 20, 2018 at 11:30 pm #117110
                            Usernameinvalid
                            Participant

                              I should also add bug spray with deet will also harm a nitro
                              finish.

                            • November 21, 2018 at 12:15 am #117113
                              Duffy P
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                                Hercules stands are safe, and they work well. I have four of them.

                                My leg,apparently, is not so safe, nor my right arm. In just a year, the points where I touch my archtop are visibly darkening through the finish. Not planning on selling, ever, so no big deal.

                                Anyone who likes relicing, and that market is huge, also wants nitro. Poly finishes don’t deteriorate, and thus the guitars don’t get that cool, worn look. I like both finishes, but would rather not have poly on the neck.

                              • November 21, 2018 at 5:42 am #117119
                                Odin
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                                  Interesting article on nitrocellulose

                                  All About… Nitrocellulose

                                • November 21, 2018 at 7:01 am #117122
                                  snakechisler
                                  Participant

                                    Nitro has a Satin look rather than the bright shiney look you can get.

                                    Poly coatings done well are nice I’ve a G&L ASAT with a poly body and oiled neck, the Fender strat I have is OK but as in sprayed well but the neck is kind of shiney.

                                    poly coatings can look like they’ve added an extra layer on everything, in terms of aging they don’t age well as the coating gets brittle and you end up with chips. The best I’ve seen it done is on prs instruments they obviously take the time to put on multiple thin coats which produces a really good finish which is resistant to the the gloop 1 coat chip look.

                                    I’ve nitro guitars they are wearing where my arm rests as in the sheen has dulled and on the neck even with moderate wear it’s not going to affect the 2nd hand value but these fall into “will never be sold while I’m alive” category so it’s a moot point anyways.

                                    Final thing if you do nitro badly it won’t age well either and you can see that in some of the cheaper Gibson’s

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