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Learning from Brian's backing tracks eg. Lovely Lisa

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    • October 25, 2016 at 8:24 am #53554
      charjo
      Moderator

        @Brian,
        I think there is a wealth of learning to attain by studying the backing tracks Brian creates for the lessons, especially for those starting to create their own backing tracks or for members starting to play with other musicians.
        Many members have been with Active Melody for a while now and some of the emphasis on home base and finding the major pentatonic from the minor pentatonic home base is becoming repetitive and can be learned in earlier lessons. I’m wondering if Brian could start to place more emphasis on the chord progressions and where they come from especially when unexpected chords are substituted. I’d also like to hear more about the composition and construction of the backing track.
        I was struck by how simple and beautiful the backing track for EP 173 “Lovely Lisa” was and tried to analyze it. The entire piece is played over a I, ii, IV, VI chord progression in A minor

        Cymbal 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
        bass drum 1 or 4, 1
        bass guitar 1 ,&1
        guitar arpeggio & 2 & 3 & 4 &
        guitar quick strum ,3

        The timing above seems to propel the progression forward and I’d love to start learning the little tricks that make this work.
        Anybody interested in analyzing the backing track or theory related to the piece each week in the Music Theory forum? The multi-instrumentalists among us could probably add a lot.

        John

      • October 25, 2016 at 11:22 am #53559
        Brian
        Keymaster

          Hey John, I think that would be very cool for a few of you to analyze these from time to time and break it down from a theoretical standpoint. I would probably learn something too 🙂 I tend to come up with these things based entirely on feeling with no theory going into it. So any theory would come after the fact.

        • October 25, 2016 at 11:52 am #53560
          charjo
          Moderator

            @Brian, I wish I had your feel for the music. Any little tips you can add to your lessons about accompaniment, like that quick guitar strum on the third beat, would be appreciated. I will probably pay attention to the backing tracks a little more and put some questions out there for the members.
            John

            • December 9, 2016 at 8:57 am #57067
              Mike S
              Participant

                Hi from Mike in the UK. Just enrolled with Active Melody. EP174, Lovely Lisa is my first project. I class myself as top end of beginner and wanting to progress through the intermediate stage. On the video, Brian counts in as “1 and 2″ but the notes are sixteenth notes so I wonder if it is more accurate to capture the feel of the piece to as
                ” 1-ah-and-ah-2-ah-and-ah etc” ?

            • October 25, 2016 at 11:53 am #53561
              Sal
              Participant

                I would like to know the chord progression for BLG002………………….Sal

              • October 25, 2016 at 11:59 am #53562
                Brian
                Keymaster

                  The little strum that you hear in the rhythm in an old R&B technique. I’ve heard it in other things, can’t think of one now though – but it isn’t something I invented. I just had it in my head from something I’d heard before. I remember watching a blues band play in Memphis once and the rhythm guitar player did that on a song and I was struck by how simple it was, yet how much it added. It’s interesting to listen to the jam track for EP174 without that added strum, it falls a little flat. I guess these are things you just pick up over time.. sort of like a collection. Now you have it too and you won’t forget it. 🙂

                • October 25, 2016 at 12:30 pm #53563
                  charjo
                  Moderator

                    @Sal, It’s in the key of A minor.
                    I think he arpeggiates an A minor bar chord X2, an A diminished chord X1 (flat the 5th- ie. move the 3rd finger from 7th fret to 6th fret of the A minor bar chord or move the 2nd fret down to the first fret on the 4th string if playing open position A minor), D minor X1, E minor X1 A minor X1, G major X1 and repeat.
                    John

                  • October 25, 2016 at 1:01 pm #53565
                    Sal
                    Participant

                      Thanks much John,I’ll see what I can do with it for bending practice!!…………….Sal

                    • October 25, 2016 at 1:02 pm #53566
                      charjo
                      Moderator

                        Something else I found interesting in this backing track. Brian is using small chord voicings on strings 4, 3 and 2 for arpeggiating the chord progression, A, Bmin, D and E between frets 5 to 9. When I did my little backyard gig in the summer, as the accompanying and lead guitarist, I found that these little higher voicing small chords were necessary to be distinguished from the first guitar.
                        John

                      • October 25, 2016 at 1:39 pm #53568
                        Sal
                        Participant

                          John,in BLG002,it seems like the Adim has X2? What do you think?……………….Sal

                        • October 25, 2016 at 1:55 pm #53570
                          charjo
                          Moderator

                            Good ear, Sal, You’re absolutely right.
                            John

                          • October 25, 2016 at 2:07 pm #53571
                            charjo
                            Moderator

                              @Sal, just had another thought on BLG 002. The full bend is from the 4th to the 5th and matches the 5th in the A minor chord. The half bend is from the 4th to the flat 5th and matches the flatted fifth in the A diminished chord. That’s why it sounds so good. From what Brian says above I don’t think he thinks about these things but just hears them.
                              John

                            • October 25, 2016 at 2:15 pm #53572
                              Sal
                              Participant

                                John,thanks for the added info!! That’s a great lesson in bending.At my age, I guess I’m lucky to hear anything at all!!Constant ringing in my ears from 45 yrs in factories will do that to you! Thanks again,…………Sal

                              • October 25, 2016 at 3:23 pm #53574
                                Maradonagol
                                Participant

                                  @charjo

                                  @brian

                                  I totally agree and have done this once in a while….I’m in with whatever method we would like to move forward…

                                  Roberto

                                  Roberto

                                • October 26, 2016 at 1:24 am #53597
                                  sunjamr
                                  Participant

                                    Yes, I’ve had a go at making some of my own backing tracks, and they don’t sound half as good as Brian’s. For one thing, I can’t play a keyboard at all, so that limits me to things I can do with a guitar. Which is why I recently bought the Electro-Harmonix B9 Organ Machine. And that’s why I’m thinking of buying a bass guitar soon. Drums are easy, if you use Garageband or Logic Pro.

                                    Sunjamr Steve

                                  • November 13, 2016 at 8:37 am #55209
                                    Jeff Y
                                    Participant

                                      I’ve been messing around with the chords and replaced the Bm chord with a B7 chord. Sounds good as long as I strum more towards the 5th string open high B vs the 2nd sting low B.

                                      My question is, is there any reason from a theory perspective that the B7 chord does not play with the A, D and F in this chord progression as a substitute.

                                      You may just tell me…”if it sounds good it sounds good” 🙂

                                      Thanks
                                      Jeff

                                    • December 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm #57076
                                      ChordGuy
                                      Participant

                                        Hi Mike
                                        If the song begins on Beat 1 of bar 1 the song is usually counted in by the ‘time signature’ If it is in 4/4 then 1 2 3 4 or commonly 2 3 4 (you don’t really need them all to set the tempo)
                                        If the song has ‘pickup notes’ into the one then the count is best broken up. If there are 3 eighth notes before 1 then
                                        1 and 2 and 3 would be right. The ‘and of 3’ 4 and, would be the pickup notes.
                                        If a song is in 2/4 many will count it in 1 2 1234. The first 1 2 really does’t give you the feel so the 1234 in double time sets the tempo better and allows you the option of using it for the pickup notes as well.

                                        Gordo

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