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HARMONIZED 6TH'S

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    • November 16, 2018 at 11:27 pm #116962
      Paddyboy
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        Hello AM pickers. see attachment
        Let’s see who can understand this. I’m not a teacher but this is how I’m understanding “Harmonized 6ths” for myself. It has opened my understanding of it. The most important thing though is to understand that there are always just two (2) patterns (diagonal and horizontal) while going up the major scale, just as Brian has taught. Also, remember to do them up the scale then back down again until they become so familiar you can do them in your sleep.
        Next, do the same idea on the 2nd set (strings 2 and 4) then the 3rd set (strings 3 and 5) then the 4th set (strings 4 and 6)
        Rgds, Pat F

        ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

      • November 17, 2018 at 12:29 pm #116978
        sunjamr
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          The hard part is playing actual melodies, rather than just going up and down the scales. It’s easy to lose track of where you are in the pattern sequence.

          Sunjamr Steve

          • November 17, 2018 at 5:23 pm #116987
            Paddyboy
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              For me, I think it made it easier (at least one aspect of playing lead) because once you learn those patterns you can play those double stops patterns at each chord change and that itself makes a nice little-harmonized lead. We all learn a little differently though so I also agree with what your saying.

              ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

          • November 17, 2018 at 4:20 pm #116983
            charjo
            Moderator

              I find it easier to think of the shapes as being within a full chord. Consider the 1st and 3rd strings. Fret 5 on the first string and fret 6 on the 3rd string are within the A major chord. Fret 7 on the 1st string and fret 7 on the 3rd string are within the B minor chord. If you are familiar with how the chords of a key harmonize, you get the sequence major, minor, minor, major, major, minor, diminished(which is minor when you are only considering the 1st and 3rd intervals- I say these intervals because a 6th is an inverted 3rd). You can start to see the other string sets when you are familiar with the CAGED shapes and you locate where the tonic starts.For practical purposes you are most interested in the 1,3 and 2,4 string sets anyway.
              John.

              • November 17, 2018 at 5:30 pm #116989
                Paddyboy
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                  Exactly Charo…That was the method I used to find them. We can use the same process for finding the 3rd’s using the 5th string A shape chords.

                  ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

              • November 17, 2018 at 4:27 pm #116984
                charjo
                Moderator

                  Paddy,
                  I should add the full chord shape for stringset 1&3 is the E shape. For stringset 2&4 it’s the C shape and the “tonic” for each harmonized 6th will be on the higher string or root of the full chord shape.
                  John

                • November 17, 2018 at 5:14 pm #116985
                  Paddyboy
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                    Sorry ya’ll,

                    Haven’t read the comments yet but I will after I post this.

                    And I tried to be so careful! The notes are right but the semi-tone count is wrong for the major and minor 6th’s. the minor 6 is 8 semi-tones and the major 6 is 9.

                    ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

                  • November 17, 2018 at 5:18 pm #116986
                    Bob S
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                      Pat,
                      There’s one thing I have figured out when it comes to music and that is there are usually several different ways to think about the same thing. I think John is right in relating things to chord shapes. I find it very difficult to keep track of offset scales on two or more strings.

                      The way I approach sixths is from the triad approach. To use the example in F that was on your sheet, think of an F major triad (F-A-C). If you play a first inversion triad on the highest three strings, you have A-C-F. Omit the C and you have your sixth. This would fit the E form of the Caged system, but I don’t think that way. The only thing you now have to remember is the scale on the top string, and the chord quality for that scale degree.

                      By the way, it seems to me you have the sixth interval inverted when you mention major sixths and minor sixths. I would think the major interval would be the nine half steps, and minor would be eight. Also not sure there is a diminished sixth interval.

                      Bob

                      • November 17, 2018 at 5:58 pm #116992
                        Paddyboy
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                          Bob, You are so right and I’m glad you caught that. I’m glad I caught it too, before I read your post. Good on ya for that. Yea I was just talking chords on the other. M, m, m, M, M, m, dim.

                          ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

                      • November 17, 2018 at 5:34 pm #116990
                        sunburst
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                          Paddyboy, you can learn more thamn you are inguiring about here and lyfao too!

                          • November 17, 2018 at 6:21 pm #116993
                            Paddyboy
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                              That is some funny stuff, John. I couldn’t stop laughing. But on a serious note about video games. Never play them because I know I’d get soooo hooked. The only video game I ever played was when windows 98 came out. It had an unbelievably authentic pinball game that came with the OS. Yep, I got hooked. lol

                              ALL IT TAKES TO WRITE A SONG IS........3 CHORDS AND THE TRUTH!

                            • November 17, 2018 at 9:05 pm #116996
                              sunjamr
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                                I can think of a lot more than 10 annoying songs….bah, humbug!

                                Sunjamr Steve

                            • November 18, 2018 at 7:45 am #116999
                              Sal
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                                The last video game I played was “PONG”………….Sal

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