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Learning the patterns first before learning licks

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    • July 27, 2016 at 7:09 am #46360
      Derek V
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        Hi,

        I’ve recently joined the website after seeing some of Brian’s lessons on the internet. I’m a beginner and I’ve been stuck in a rut as what I have seen online I have found a step too far in my journey. As I’ve watched some of Brian’s videos I’ve heard stuff that sounds really cool and that has reignited my passion to learn the guitar.

        I just started working on the blues course and I’ve enjoyed learning the first pattern or the extended pattern. Would you suggest that I should learn the licks before I start on the second pattern or get used to all the patterns first?

        Thanks

      • July 27, 2016 at 8:58 am #46361
        charjo
        Moderator

          @Derek V, I can’t think of any reason you shouldn’t start learning licks in box 1. I certainly think it would be more motivating and fun. The extended box 1, especially if you extend at the high end with a similar 4 note small box is where a majority of licks are played in any case. It is said, many blues players spent their entire careers there.
          I would encourage you to study what the intervals are, as you work in box 1, where are the minor thirds, the flat sevens, the roots, how does the minor chord sit over the box. This way you can start integrating scales, chords and intervals right from the start. This will help you understand how the major pentatonic relates and how to colour these boxes with outside notes later on.
          John

        • July 27, 2016 at 12:58 pm #46363
          JohnStrat
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            Hi Derek have you run through Brian’s Beginner course? I am sure that would do no harm and there is nothing to say you cant mix and match a bit on the way through. You’ve found a good place to learn in AM and if you stick with it you will progress well Brian is a great teacher and there is loads of support here for you. Clearly what Charjo says will get you off on a proper foundation. Make sure to keep it fun where you can but some of it is a slog so a little variety can be a way to help through the tougher bits. All the best John Strat

          • July 27, 2016 at 9:35 pm #46367
            Bryce-AKguitar
            Keymaster

              I don’t think there is a wrong or right way to approach learning the blues lead course. If you want to learn the pattern 1 licks go for it. Just know you don’t have to know all the licks by heart to move to the next pattern. They are just a starting point.

              I went through pattern 1 then ran through the licks with the jam tracks. Then to pattern 2 and licks. Then moved forward with the rest but took the time to go back to the previous patterns as I progressed to review.

              -Bryce
              Anchorage, Alaska

            • July 28, 2016 at 3:58 am #46378
              sunjamr
              Participant

                Bryce speaks the truth: For just pure fun, put on a jam track and just start playing the 1st position notes in sequence, then skip some notes, then jump around backwards and forwards a bit, but always using only the 1st position notes. Voila, it sounds like music, and you’re learning the scale at the same time! Try doing it in key of E at first, then move on up to A.

                Sunjamr Steve

              • July 28, 2016 at 5:49 am #46381
                Mark O
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                  One thing that was an “ah hah!” moment for me when I first did the blues course came shortly after completing pattern 1 licks and transitioning to pattern 2… I began to figure out how some solos in some of my favorite songs were played and, while not note for note, I found I could stumble through them to the point where they sounded pretty close. I’d have to think this is a natural result of not only understanding the patterns but how they overlap in regards to the major and minor pentatonic scales. For me, the example licks are invaluable because even though I know the patterns, it can still be a struggle to “make words” out of them. Variety does keep it interesting, which keeps me progressing forward. That’s what matters most.

                • July 28, 2016 at 6:57 am #46382
                  Don D.
                  Moderator

                    One thing that may not be stressed enough in the replies are the rhythms. Internalize the rhythms and let your right hand respond to the them (when playing licks, making licks out of the shapes), that’s why backing tracks help so much. It also has to do with what Mark O is saying, those songs we love all have—for the most part—strong rhythms and the soloist is responding to them.

                    Don D.

                  • July 28, 2016 at 8:14 am #46384
                    Maradonagol
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                      @derek v

                      Hi Derek, welcome, as @charjo said, there is no reason one has to take priority, I’ve found that they reinforce each other, sometimes when I’ve had trouble remembering a complicated scale, I’ll be working on a lick from some of my favorite players and aha…the lick shows me the scale and even better, the lick gave me a useful reason to retain the scale in my head and fingers….do this long enough and you wont think in terms of scales but in terms of the sounds themselves…that takes a while…and even if some of Brian’s lessons are tough as a begninner, they are very useful for this learning process….. good luck and enjoy the journey.

                      Roberto

                      Roberto

                    • September 28, 2016 at 10:48 pm #52096
                      Derek V
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                        Thanks for all the great advice, I’ve been on vacation and now I’m back and I’m ready to get back into the course.

                        So far I’ve been looking at various lessons from the blues lessons and sometimes I hear one that gets my attention a little more than the others

                        I found a video on Facebook where someone was demonstrating a practice method of starting on the low E string and then using alternate fingerings on each string as you work down the strings to get to the high E. You then use the reverse process but you slide your fretting hand up one fret so eventually you work your way up the neck of the guitar. I found this pretty useful as it has helped my speed and also gave me some muscle memory. I also found that it helped a little with my stretching. I’ve been focusing more on learning the patterns at the moment to see how the notes connect as I go up the neck.

                        Now it’s time to knuckle down and get practicing.

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