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Flamenco : Farruca

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  • This topic has 23 replies, 12 voices, and was last updated 1 year, 7 months ago by Geoff.
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    • December 8, 2023 at 5:26 pm #358887
      Geoff
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        I have been on this Flamenco learning journey for the past six months or so now and got through two intro books on this style. I have now got a more “serious” book on this style and, I have to say, it is proving pretty challenging.

        According to the book, a Furraca is a dance form that developed in Cadiz brought in by travelers from the North of Spain.

        I have had to get to grips with some terminology used in Flamenco :
        – Falseta : a musical interlude played between the verses of a song a break in the dance routine.
        – Tremolo : A technique used to create the illusion of a constantly sustained melody both in classical guitar music and Flamenco. I do not have enough speed to do this but I am working on it. Will probably take years for me to get there.
        – Octave : Playing the same notes at a different pitch. Brian has done lessons on using Octaves.
        – Coda : The end of a section.
        – Arpeggio : In classical this is simply playing a chord one note at a time, I suspect it means the same in Flamenco.
        – Rasguedo : Distinctive right hand strumming technique of Flamenco

        This piece covers a bunch of techniques including octaves, tremolo, Rasgueado and arpeggio. Some of these I am very familiar with and, with others, I struggle. I am still trying to get to grips with Rasgueado and tremolo technique. Tricky thing in this piece is the tremolo is five to the beat which I am not used to at all and it requires speed that I don’t have. That said, I really enjoyed having a go at this one and attempting to learn Flamenco style playing.

      • December 8, 2023 at 6:09 pm #358893
        Richard W
        Participant

          Geoff, that was fantastic! Really strong playing, man. I can tell you’ve been putting in the time. I liked the pop ups that pointed out the various techniques, helps us appreciate it all the more. Congrats! Look forward to hearing more flamenco.

          • December 9, 2023 at 9:28 am #358911
            Geoff
            Participant

              Thanks Richard, I have been enjoying this Flamenco gig so much that my time going to this has taken away from the Blues stuff a bit. So hard to do it all.

              I am always experimenting with how I present these videos and you have given me a hint that I should continue doing more popups so I will continue to do so.

          • December 8, 2023 at 9:00 pm #358896
            Ken
            Participant

              Kudos to you Geoff. I love flamenco but the most difficult to do. You have progressed so much. I am a bit jealous.
              Sounding very good.

              Ken F

              • December 9, 2023 at 9:31 am #358912
                Geoff
                Participant

                  Hi Ken, I have come to the conclusion that all guitar styles are difficult to do. The guitar is just difficult period 🙂

                  I think the difficultly with Flamenco is all the techniques one has to master. I can tell already that I am going to struggle with tremolo and learning how to tap and strum at the same time.

              • December 9, 2023 at 2:19 am #358901
                Helen Lazaridou
                Participant

                  My dearest Geoff ♥️
                  This must be the most beautiful and challenging flamenco piece you have played so far!!!💖❤️💖you should be feeling so proud!!!!incredible progress in such a short while and I’m so glad I encouraged you to do so!!!(some credit should go to me too😉😉😉)and the way you analyzed the techniques made me appreciate it even more!💖❤️💖❤️

                  • December 9, 2023 at 9:33 am #358913
                    Geoff
                    Participant

                      Actually it’s true Helen, you do deserve some credit for encouraging me to do this and I always appreciate your kind comments. I will say, though, that the Spanish tradition of the guitar has always captivated me and it’s the reason I have played classical for as long as I have.

                  • December 9, 2023 at 8:59 am #358905
                    David L
                    Participant

                      Geoff – Thank you for posting this wonderful video. And thank you for all of the information. I struggled for a long while with the tremolo technique, whereas you have mastered it! Flamenco is clearly your passion and you have done exceedingly well with it. I look forward to more!

                      • December 9, 2023 at 9:35 am #358914
                        Geoff
                        Participant

                          Thanks as always for listening David. I don’t think i am even close to mastering tremolo, it will be a few years of consistent practice before I am anywhere near the speed and fluidity needed to play them really well.

                      • December 9, 2023 at 1:29 pm #358925
                        JoeD1
                        Participant

                          What a long way you’ve come in just 6 months my friend! I like the way you do the callouts in the video and appreciate the definitions. Encore!

                          Joe

                          The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
                          Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
                          --Graeme Edge

                          • December 10, 2023 at 12:22 pm #358983
                            Geoff
                            Participant

                              ThanksJoe. It may seem like I have done a lot but I already have quite a lot of technique from my classical. As I was saying to Mark, I am now starting to hit a wall. Thats guitar playing for you 😉

                              • December 10, 2023 at 7:29 pm #358996
                                JoeD1
                                Participant

                                  So now you have to put some more effort into it…that’s called learning! 😃 I’m sure you will do it. You definitely have the passion for classical and Flamenco.

                                  Joe

                                  The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
                                  Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
                                  --Graeme Edge

                            • December 10, 2023 at 9:31 am #358971
                              Mark T
                              Participant

                                Absolutely beautiful, Geoff – it’s clear the passion you have for this style and the amount of work you put into it; it really is impressive 👏👏🎶😎

                                Your playing has always been top class, and your presentations now match this with a lovely relaxed style!

                                Best wishes, Geoff, and hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and New Year ♥️♥️

                                • December 10, 2023 at 12:19 pm #358982
                                  Geoff
                                  Participant

                                    Thanks Mark. I put a lot of work in but progress is slow. I cannot do the speed and I am now starting to hit a wall with this book I got on the topic. That said, it’s always fun trying 😉

                                    Hope you have a great Christmas and New Year too.

                                • December 10, 2023 at 3:03 pm #358991
                                  Garry
                                  Participant

                                    Hey Geoff, you sound the ‘real deal’ here with this style. Yes, it definitely helps being a trained classical guitarist but you still need to put in the hours and effort. And more importantly youve got the feel and flair for it! Thanks also for the added info. All the best! 😎🎸😎

                                    • December 11, 2023 at 6:55 pm #359021
                                      Geoff
                                      Participant

                                        Thanks Garry. It has similarities and stark differences. The speed required for Flamenco is ridiculous and I cannot do tapping and strumming at the same time. Rest strokes also hard for me 😪

                                    • December 11, 2023 at 3:49 am #358998
                                      Guido
                                      Participant

                                        Wow, excellent rendition, Geoff! Your skills in this beautiful genre are definitely taking off. Very interesting and instructional pops up that help to understand what section you’re playing and what technique you’re using. This is a real complete piece of Flamenco that you can play to your friends: very well played and enjoyable to listen to!

                                        Guido

                                        • December 11, 2023 at 6:52 pm #359020
                                          Geoff
                                          Participant

                                            It’s true Guido. I actually do know this in my head so I can respond to a ‘play something’ request- providing I have a gut string guitar of course 😎

                                        • February 13, 2024 at 5:35 pm #364055
                                          Tao
                                          Participant

                                            This sounds very cool Geoff! Only 6 months, wow!

                                            Tao

                                            • February 15, 2024 at 10:28 pm #364116
                                              Geoff
                                              Participant

                                                Thanks Tao. It helps that I have played classical guitar for a long time. There is a lot of overlap with the techniques I find.

                                            • February 15, 2024 at 10:50 pm #364117
                                              Liam Innes
                                              Participant

                                                Bravo 👏👏👏

                                                Fantastic Geoff I enjoyed the stuffing out of that.

                                                The right hand technique was very impressive.

                                                I have to say that arpeggio falseta was my favourite.

                                                How does this translate over to other styles like folk/rock etc?

                                                Is it standard tuning?

                                                I think I’ve said it before but the shapes you’re pulling look extremely difficult compared to anything I’ve ever seen in any other style.

                                                Liam.

                                                “We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. “

                                                • February 16, 2024 at 1:57 pm #364142
                                                  Geoff
                                                  Participant

                                                    Well, you piqued my interest with that question Liam. I think Flamenco is Spanish Folk Music – it was the street music played by the ‘rough people’ like the gypsies and other nomads. (Unlike classical which was played by the ‘higher classes’ in the Kings courts). From what I can see of Flamenco is the chords progressions are not particularly complicated – this one is in the Key of C Minor and lot of it is based on the ‘Cowboy Chords’ in that key – like the intro is a variation on Eminor, Aminor and Dminor as far as I can tell. Tuning is completely standard.

                                                    The main difference I can see with Flamenco compared to folk/rock etc. is in the rhythms (Often requiring Fan strumming techniques), the prolific use of tremolo and I guess the scale pattern is often based on the Phrygian mode (Minor key – sounds darker than the relative minor). That is just my rudimentary understanding. It’s different but I have not found it too much of a stretch adapting my classical technique to this music. Obviously, I have a long way to go with it though 🙂

                                                • February 16, 2024 at 1:45 am #364126
                                                  Manfred M
                                                  Participant

                                                    I enjoy to see the enthusiasm you have about this flamenco style, Geoff. You and this style of music seem destined for each other. I find it always thrilling to see someone playing his music with such passion as you do. And wow you have already learned all these awesome techniques. Hats off and a Pleasure to listen to!

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                                                    • February 16, 2024 at 1:59 pm #364143
                                                      Geoff
                                                      Participant

                                                        Thanks so much Manfred. So glad you enjoyed this. I don’t know about any destiny and I have a long way to go. This is just a style of music I happen to really enjoy playing and, maybe, it offers something a little different on this forum.

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