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Another view on the modes of the major scale

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    • April 8, 2022 at 10:25 am #304699
      Jean-Michel G
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        The seven modes of the Major scale are almost always defined as follows:
        Ionian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 1st degree (that’s the major scale itself)
        Dorian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 2nd degree
        Phrygian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 3rd degree
        Lydian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 4th degree
        Mixolydian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 5th degree
        Eolian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 6th degree
        Locrian: the scale obtained when starting a major scale from the 7th degree

        Applying the definitions above using the C major scale, we get:
        C Ionian: C D E F G A B C
        D Dorian: D E F G A B C D
        E Phrygian: E F G A B C D E
        Etc…

        Similarly, using A major you get:
        A Ionian: A B C# D E F# G# A
        B Dorian: B C# D E F# G# A B
        C# Phrygian: C# D E F# G# A B C#
        Etc.

        In other words, you will always obtain the same seven notes of your initial major scale, and if you use these notes to try and improvise something, it will (obviously) always sound more or less the same!
        So, although the definitions above are correct, they are musically irrelevant!
        They are nothing more than a convenient way to obtain the notes of any mode.
        For example: suppose we are looking for the notes of Eb Lydian. Since the Lydian mode is the 4th mode of a major scale, we simply need to find the major scale whose 4th degree is Eb. That’s the Bb major scale: Bb C D Eb F G A Bb. The Eb Lydian mode is therefore: Eb F G A Bb C D.

        If we want to make the modes musically significant, we need to compare them using a common reference. For example, taking C as the tonal center, we have:
        C Ionian: C D E F G A B C
        C Dorian: C D Eb F G A Bb C
        C Phrygian: C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
        C Lydian: C D E F# G A B C
        C Mixolydian: C D E F G A Bb C
        C Eolian: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
        C Locrian: C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C

        If we notate the major scale (Ionian mode) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, then in comparison:
        Dorian: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7
        Phrygian: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
        Lydian: 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7
        Mixolydian: 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7
        Eolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
        Locrian: 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7

        Or, using an intervallic description with W = Whole tone and H = Half tone:
        Ionian: W W H W W W H
        Dorian: W H W W W H W
        Phrygian: H W W W H W H
        Lydian: W W W G W W H
        Mixolydian: W W H W W H W
        Eolian: W H W W H W W
        Locrian: H W W H W W W

        These could equally be used as definitions of the seven modes; in fact, they would even be better definitions than the ones that are commonly used and that we started with, because they make it clear that modes are fundamentally different organizations of the seven pitch classes. But since they are admittedly more difficult to commit to memory, these definitions are rarely used.
        However, that’s how modes should be understood and used.

        To conclude, I strongly recommend this little gem on YouTube. During a little less than an hour, the über-famous conductor Leonard Bernstein goes about explaining and demonstrating the modes to his audience…
        A must see!

      • April 8, 2022 at 11:07 am #304701
        charjo
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          I agree Jean-Michel. I think of the modes in terms of the major modes, ionian, lydian, myxolydian and the minor modes, dorian, phyrgian, aeolian and locrian. When you consider only how each one differs from the major or minor pentatonic, it isn’t difficult to remember the intervallic structures.
          John

        • April 11, 2022 at 2:51 am #304920
          Vorocnan
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            Hi JM thanks for the post and link, Bernstein was interesting I need to watch again and start taking notes on theory, I have been watching a free music teacher on youtube recently and she has a videoe on the three different minor scales where she talked about leading tones at the seventh and different intervals in the minor scales, Bernstein also mentions leading tones at the seventh in the modes and I post a link for anyone else trying to learn music theory, she is quite a good teacher.

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            • April 12, 2022 at 9:59 am #304976
              Jean-Michel G
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                Hi,
                Yep, that video is correct: the only reason for being in life of the raised 7th degree is to turn it into a leading tone, and the reason for _that_ is so we can again conclude our songs with an authentic (a.k.a. full) cadence.

                However, bear in mind that in practice the raised 7th degree (and hence the harmonic minor scale) is usually _only_ assumed for the V chord. For all the other scale degrees the chords normally result from the natural minor.

                It _is_ of course correct to fully harmonize the harmonic and melodic minor scales, and there’s nothing to stop you from using the resulting chords if you like them, but in most cases this is not done. Minor harmonies are usually based on the chords from the natural minor scale except for a V or V7.

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