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A best “direction” query…

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    • April 29, 2021 at 4:21 pm #250508
      Jeremy G
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        Hello all. Please excuse this newby’s query but it’s been on my mind for a bit now. I’m not the first to ask this I know but this music “1st grader” is quite unsure which direction to dig into.

        This is primarily “blues” related. I initially got into this wonderful forum with the intent of just learning some songs, having fun playing and learning some bluesy stuff to tiddle around with.
        I’ve dug into some easier/learner stuffs and done a bit of looking around. I’m getting drawn in, more so than planned! So here’s my question…

        I can learn to play the lessons (easy to harder) and be satisfied – for the most part – but now I can “feel” the pull to do some doodling around on the fret-board. You know where this is going…

        The “Algebra” of music is confusing as we all know. I’ve done a lot of looking on You Tube and dug around a good bit. The waters got even muddier!

        Could you more knowledgeable folk perhaps give an opinion as to which route you think is best to eventually being able to just (I nearly said “simply”..) diddle around on the fingerboard to create some whimsical, bluesy stuffs alone that would sound pleasing?

        Memorize runs/riffs? Dig into/memorize the blues scales and try to figure out how they all fit together? Learn the CAGED system to figure out how it ties in or ???

        I’m in a whirlpool and can’t figure out my best, most beneficial path…

        Lastly, – and this may be the case – if this proves I’m just too new to make sense of a detailed explanation please say something like “Umm, come back in two yrs pal and then ask…” I’ll get it and will not be offended.

        You folks are all too kind for that! It took me some thinking before I even dared to ask this…

        Jeremy.

      • April 29, 2021 at 4:36 pm #250509
        John H
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          Jeremy,
          Let your path find you. You have to do all of the above. None of this comes easy. It requires a lot of work, but if you love the work then it’s worthwhile. CAGED, licks, riffs, repetition, memorization yes to all of it. I can’t remember much of anything unless I rehearse it and use it. That is normal. I appreciate that after three years of studying with Active Melody, I can play varying genres like Ragtime Blues, Rockabilly, Swing and Country. Whereas before, I was playing the intro to Sweet Home Alabama 400 times a week. I am also familiar enough with Brian’s library that if I need a lick or riff I know where to go amongst the 400 tunes to find it. I would discourage learning licks and theory for the sake of doing it in the hope it would make you a better player. Within each lesson, whether it be rockabilly, blues, R&B, ragtime blues, there is a lifetime of theory. Licks (which Brian teaches with each lesson) mean nothing unless they are presented in some context. Give yourself time, enjoy the journey and you will be a more accomplished and confident as a player. You will always have questions but you will also have more answers.

          John H

        • April 29, 2021 at 6:30 pm #250518
          John R
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            Jeremy,

            Brian is big on giving us lessons that contain the inner workings of music so we know why what we are learning to play works. If you have scales under your belt – especially Mj and Min Pentatoninc – go back to EP 273 and really work at knowing the basic chord shapes up the neck. Then you will “see” what scale these notes are in and you can start hitting triads and making up your own lead riffs as well as rhythm. Practice the things that challenge you the most. Muscle memory is about frquency of playing yout instrument, not how long you play it for. RE caged – Brian breaks the 5 down to 3 incidentaly which makes huge sense the more you know your fretboard. If you get EP 273 down go straight to EP 356 and learn why BB King sounded so special!! Seriously – you have some chops and stamina as well as talent and a good ear to make it this far. This crossroads happens to all of us. Try that out to see if it opens some inroads and let Brian know how you did.

            John R

          • April 29, 2021 at 6:43 pm #250519
            sunjamr
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              John speaks the truth. And I would also do this: knuckle down and learn all 5 positions of the pentatonic scale. Put on a 12 bar blues backing track (download one of Brian’s) and play the scales ascending all the way up the neck, and back down again. Then – with the backing track still playing – pick 4 sequential notes from any of the positions, and see if you can create some interesting licks using them. Brian has a lesson on this, but I can’t remember the number of it. I think he used the last 4 notes of the 2nd position minor pent, ie., on the 5th and 6th strings. The point is, just start noodling with a limited palette of notes. Voila! You are playing improv!

              Sunjamr Steve

            • April 29, 2021 at 9:46 pm #250535
              Andy N
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                Lots of excellent advice above. The one thing I’d reiterate, and its the one thing I constantly remind myself of, and that is don’t be in a rush. All these lessons and Youtube drag you into diving into a whole range of topics and theory. Its much better to learn one small thing really well and be able to understand, apply and play it, rather than lots of things half baked. Whatever that is, is up to you. Maybe its the location of all the E chords as Brian mentioned in a recent lesson or a single lick in many positions, a particular piece of theory or any other part of the suggestions above. You can do a lot with a little.

              • April 30, 2021 at 3:23 am #250547
                Phil67
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                  “Could you more knowledgeable folk perhaps give an opinion as to which route you think is best to eventually being able to just (I nearly said “simply”..) diddle around on the fingerboard to create some whimsical, bluesy stuffs alone that would sound pleasing?”

                  try to participate in Monthly challenge with a ‘creation” of your own : this obliges in a limited timeslot to reuse what you have learned on lesson, you will feel quickly wondering where to go from a known lick to another chord or lick, thus walking around the freatboard. it will also force you to listen to what you want to play next (see Sunjam last post in April 2021 monthly challenge, it is a good example of ‘what will i do next’).
                  finally, as reminded often by Brian, rather than running the freatboard, phrasing in the most important : see ep219.

                  humble advices from beginner.

                  Where does the white go when snow melts?

                • April 30, 2021 at 9:02 pm #250615
                  Laurel C
                  Moderator

                    Brian’s Vlog 3 (youtube), has good advice on getting started with noodling. One way to start and involve all concepts straight away (noodling, riffs, scales and caged) is to pick a one scale i.e. Key A, choose 2 patterns, find several riffs within both patterns, use the chords A,D,E (1,4,5) in several positions on the neck for caged (see ep199) and include a railway line using double stops or chromatically going up/down one string to get to the next place. Start with a simple map. There’s a smorgasbord on offer but getting to know the ‘real estate’ on the guitar fretboard and what lives in the neighbourhood does takes time, but you can start to noodle with only a little and learn the concepts one bite at a time as you go. You will then find you own route. All the best.

                  • May 1, 2021 at 4:57 pm #250742
                    Jeremy G
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                      I’d like to thank all who offered the thoughtful suggestions given. A lot of valid hints/suggestions were shared that I need to track and dig into a good bit. I can see lots of experience in the replies and it’s going to help my wandering around the fret-board and feeling my way around…

                      I should’ve amended my post to read “the Calculus of” instead of “the Algebra of” this music game as it’s far more encompassing than just a variety of “Cowboy chords” if you want to begin to have a feel for exploring a bit.

                      I suppose, as in another hobby of mine, if it were simple it wouldn’t be so much fun would it!

                      Thank you all very much indeed. Deep breaths…..phew!

                      Jeremy.

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