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March 23, 2017 at 1:59 am #65953
Whenever I am on business for a couple of days, I have to visit some music stores.
My wife says I should have this penchant (LOL) treated by the doctor. Anyway. I would appreciate comments on these amps!
I tend more to the Super Champ x2. In addition to modeling, It is also a tube amp.
It should be played very quietly and looks cool (vintage). The sound is amazing.
I hope he does not develop any disturbing side-sounds!?Do you have experience?
The Mustang really makes a good impression.
I have chosen the III V2, since the II V2 should not have such a comparable good sound !?
I am afraid that this amp, with all its possibilities is somewhat overloaded; So for me anyway.I will try both amps.
Still, your opinions help me.
Many Thanks.
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 23, 2017 at 4:52 am #65959
Well, I have lost interest in modeling amps, since the effects are very basic. If you want reverb, for example, a pedal gives a lot more options and is easier to control. Also, once I heard amps that were 40W and more, I realized that larger amps sound much better, even in a bedroom.
Sunjamr Steve
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March 23, 2017 at 10:49 am #65968
Hi Wilfried, I have owned a MUstang III v2 (M3) for about 3-4 yrs now, I also own a Fender Supersonic 60W, a 1965 Silvertone, a Fender Champion 600 and the Yamaha THR10c, so I have much to compare to…I owned a champ at one point as well.
I bought the M3 when I decided to get serious about guitar again. Its appeal was the modeling, but especially that it came with non-Fender models as well. The last time I played in a band I was about 26-27, and life was simple..a Les Paul on a cranked Marshall..Led Zeppelin and Cream were good to go, never owned anything Fender back then! Since then much has changed in my taste so having Orange, Mesa Boogie, Vox and other models at MSRP of $329 ( I paid $289) to try out along with the array of effects, gave me a cost effective way to get started until I could decide on the tones I wanted today.
It has turned out to be the best non-guitar investment I made, along with AMelody, since starting up again. It has been super reliable, easy to use and the community of preset developers is amazing. Some people believe this is overwhelming, but that may be because they already know they simply want a Fender clean and some occasional dirt to play at home. My tastes go way beyond the blues, the M3 allows me to work with the tones I want when I want. I find the interface to be pretty simple and effective….it records great into software directly or in my case I use the XLR outs to my mixer. It has a valuable effects loop as well. My newest use is to hook it up in stereo with the tube supersonic or Silvertone, both clean Fender style tones, while I put the M3 on a Mesa Boogie or 60’s Marshall…man what sounds together! I cant say enough about the M3, if you search in the forum for Mustang 3 you’ll find dozens of posts about it from other users as well. The Fender amp models are superb, as you’d expect. Finally, it loves pedals too. Though the onboard effects are pretty good, a real tubescreamer is a different animal.
The Champ has great reviews, gives you a little of both worlds, tube and digital, its clean tone I remember was very Fender, and could break up nicely without blowing the roof off your house….great home amp if you know what you want tones you like with a little diversity.
They are both great buys, but I believe the Mustang is much broader in scope and versatility. I believe it comes down to your objectives.
Let me know if any specific questions.
Roberto
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March 23, 2017 at 2:57 pm #65984
@Maradonalgol
Hi Roberto, thank you for your detailed answer. This has helped a lot since you seem to have a lot of experience.
I like these two amps (M III V2 and the SC X2) similarly. Yes, it depends on one’s own focus.Today I got the SC X2 and tomorrow the Mustang will come. A regular tick in the amp told me that I had a badly shielded instrument cable. After the exchange everything was good. Very cool the amp.
Lots of effects I would not. The amp should be simple. The Mustang is perhaps already overloaded. This will be revealed. Decisive is the sound. I’m curious about it!
I came out of the office late today and could not do much. My first impression is really good. I have installed the software Fuse (Mac). Unfortunately, she does not start. The message is “Fuse is loading, please wait”. But, it does not open. Do you have an idea what this can be?
Thank you for your offer to ask specific questions.greeting
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 23, 2017 at 3:16 pm #65985
Hi Wilfried,
So you have both of them if I understood correctly?
I ‘m not sure why the SW is hanging, I’ve never had an issue…but could be many things including security settings on your mac….I also have it on a mac.I would reboot your mac, download the Fuse sw again from https://fuse.fender.com/ and try again.
Also, many of the presets that come standard on the M3 are more for heavy metal or some other modern music types, I have erased and replaced them all. ONce you have Fuse, please go to the download presets page: https://fuse.fender.com/mustangv2/presets/?q=&genre=7&sort=latest&limit=15
from inside fuse and try some of these, they are much better and will satisfy your blues tone needs…or go here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYCekIbACIRUPs1qmL-ZqLIS9daaiXhg
These are some of the best presets out there.Good luck,
Roberto
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March 24, 2017 at 1:04 am #65991
@Maradonagol
Yes Roberto, I ordered both amps and can make a direct comparison. I will return one. I have 30 days for this. This is very long. I also do not like these hard sounds. Since I will surely assemble some, which more in the direction of blues fit. As I read, you also do not like the direction (Metal). Today I expect the Mustang.
But today I am with my son. The “Little one” has become 34 today.LOL
Tomorrow I will continue to see.Thanks and greeting
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 24, 2017 at 9:01 am #66007
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March 24, 2017 at 3:52 am #65993
Hi Wilfried – I own both these amps, and enjoy them both. The only physical change I’ve made to either was to swap out the speaker on the SCX2 with a different American-voiced one. The stock speaker isn’t bad, but definitely can be improved upon. Like Roberto, I do tend to think of the M3 as being the more versatile of the two, but as he says, it depends on what you’re looking for. I tend to stick with Fender-type clean tones, and feel the SCX2 does Champ, Princeton and even Deluxe type tones very well (with some tweaking in FUSE). The M3 has the ability to do the bigger amps better (as you might expect) – I mostly base stuff off the Twin model on that one. The M3 allows you to do a lot more tweaking of patches without having to be tied to a computer, and that’s quite handy. But once you get the SCX2 set up with FUSE the way you want it, its simpler control layout feels more “amp-like” to me, and works well (note that you can reassign both the voices and the effects knob slots on the SCX2 using FUSE).
Either way, FUSE is the key to getting the most out of these amps, as I’m sure you’ve discovered. My preference is to create my own patches from scratch, rather than tweaking other folks’ work, but I’ve used Shane’s patches for the M3, and he’s got some good ones.
Enjoy exploring them both!
Tim
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March 26, 2017 at 2:53 pm #66503
@MaineTime, @Maradonagol
Roberto,
thanks for the birthday wishes!
And thanks for the note in “Fuse”. I had an old version of “Silverlight” on my Mac. After the new installation I was able to start “Fuse” immediately.Tim,
thanks for your support and hints!
I took care of M3 and SCx2 yesterday. Actually, my decision is more for the SCx2. How you write; It is perhaps more authentic with regard to sound. The M3 is really great. But the sound is something synthetic. I can not describe it better. The sound lacks the warmth. Do you know what I mean? The M3 has endless possibilities. I would only use a fraction of it.
I’ve also heard of using another speaker. Look here.Fender Superchamp X2 Speaker Upgrade Eminence Ragin Cajun (YouTube)
What do you say?
Maybe I’ll do it later. But now I like the SCx2 quite well.Roberto und Tim,
in the SCx2 Channel 1 has tied me. What a pleasure, as I mean. The channel 2 allows a lot of variants in the sound and as you both say, “Fuse” helps very well. Handling is very easy. In the end I recorded EP196. I took the sound from channel 1 and added some reverb and delay. I will put the Lesson in the forum in a few days. I find the sound really good.Best regards
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 27, 2017 at 5:48 pm #66827
Wilfried – Glad you’re enjoying the SCX2. I default to Channel 1 a lot of the time, a really nice, sweet blackface tone. What more could you ask for? I’ve reassigned the other voices so that I have a selection of Champ, Princeton, Deluxe and Bassman models with the middle control at 1, 5 and 10 on each. That way I can easily select the model I want with the mids I want, and then tweak the physical treble and bass controls to suit. Works out great. Also went through and reassigned some of the effects slots to suit my needs better (basically just reverb, tremolo and delay) so that a twist of the knob gives me the combinations I want. Love it!
For me, anyway, the key to getting the best from either amp was to dump the factory presets and build my own. Fuse makes experimenting easy, and to my mind, it’s essential to unleashing the real power of these amps. Some really good, natural tones can be found in the M3 as well, but not if you use most of the factory presets! You kind of have to start from scratch.
I’ve not used the Ragin Cajun myself, but I know a lot of folks love it, and it sure sounds sweet in that video. I may end up trying one myself. Right now, I have a WGS G10C in my SCX2, which works really well with the Fender-based models (which is all I use).
Looking forward to hearing your SCX2 in the near future!
Tim
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March 27, 2017 at 6:03 pm #66832
HI Wilfried,
Glad you made a choice…I think the M3 suffers from the pre-installed setting from Fender, I have several serious tube amps and I have tweeked my M3 to sound very close…as Tim said you really need to erase all the presets and start with the clean amp models…..that is key…If I had tried the M3 in the store I never would have bought it…..
Enjoy and look fwd to hearing the champ!
Roberto
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March 28, 2017 at 3:24 am #66914
@Maradonagol, @MaineTim
Hi Roberto and Tim,
for me is the M3 therefore very elaborate. Honestly, I do not know if I could manage the amp so correctly set. That’s probably beyond my abilities.Tim, this is a cool tip from you to change the settings to your own needs.
Here I have a question:
Do I change the settings in the software “Fuse” and can I load these settings into the X2?
Or I have the settings then only on the DAW?
That’s why I did not care.Greeting to you both
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 28, 2017 at 7:02 am #66919
Here I have a question:
Do I change the settings in the software “Fuse” and can I load these settings into the X2?Yes, and yes. You make the changes you want to the amp model you’re working with, and then you can save those changes (usually called a “patch”) into any one of the 16 “voice” slots in the SCx2. If you look just above the image of the amp front panel in FUSE, on the right hand side of the screen, you’ll see two buttons that say “SAVE CH2 VOICE” and “SAVE EFFECTS”. If you click on “SAVE CH2 VOICE”, a dialog box will pop up and allow you to select which voice to assign the patch to. As I recall it, the patch will include everything, amp model changes and any effects you have active at the time. Then your customized amp model is available with a twist of the voice knob.
You can also assign just the effect(s) you currently have active on the screen to one of the effect slots available on the F/X SELECT knob by clicking on the “SAVE EFFECTS” button. That way you can customize what effect(s) you want to have available to you across all the voices. I think Fender did a really nice job with this arrangement.
You might want to back-up the entire amp to your computer before you start making changes. There’s an option somewhere under the main menu that allows you to do this (I’m not at a FUSE-capable computer right now). Then I make another back-up each time I make changes to the voices.
Hope this helps!
Tim
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March 28, 2017 at 8:12 am #66923
@MaineTim
Thanks Tim, you can write manuals! I understood everything. Since Fender has really provided some good. In the event that I should have made everything worse, there is a reset to factory settings.
I can, for example, completely change Voice 2, or only the effects for Voice 2. And then save everything.
Finally I make a backup. I believe that one does not need more; I certainly do not. I will occasionally familiarize myself with this.
This was definitely a great help from you Tim!Wilfried
Play guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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March 28, 2017 at 9:49 pm #66991
I have both Mustang and Super Champ xd. I replaced most of the factory presets in the Mustang, tending to use a lot based on the 68 deluxe reverb model or the 65 twin reverb.
I found a lot of settings i liked at #intheblues, you can search the internet for ‘Mustang Monday’ and find them.
I like the warm sound of the superchamp, but probably play the Mustang more due to the variety available. I use the Fuse software, never look at or touch the actual knobs on the amp.
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March 29, 2017 at 4:07 am #67000
I have both Mustang and Super Champ xd. I replaced most of the factory presets in the Mustang, tending to use a lot based on the 68 deluxe reverb model or the 65 twin reverb.
I found a lot of settings i liked at #intheblues, you can search the internet for ‘Mustang Monday’ and find them.
I like the warm sound of the superchamp, but probably play the Mustang more due to the variety available. I use the Fuse software, never look at or touch the actual knobs on the amp.
Hi, yes the multiplicity of the M3 is outstanding. I agree with that. In the end I like it easier.
I like the SC X2 a bit more. Since the offered sounds are quite cool.
I will occasionally want to change the heavily stray. At the moment, I’ve done Channel 1.
Thank you very much and greetingsWilfried
Play guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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April 2, 2017 at 1:22 am #67302
Altough I have no intentions to buy other amps and I have the Sx2 nor the Mustang, I followed this discussion with interest.
A fine example of the benefits of being a premium member of AM and it shows there are a lot of helpful and kind members.Regards,
Patrick
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April 21, 2017 at 4:02 am #68494
Here is my final assessment and decision:
Mustang III V2 vs
Super Champ X2 (Combo) vs Super Champ X2 (Head) + SC112 EnclosureUse in the home studio
Software (Fender)
All three Amp`s have the same Software “Fuse”.
Various amps, effects and boxes can be selected here.
In addition, presets can be downloaded and adapted here.
Store on the DAW and / or directly into the Amp is possible.
This includes, of course, the setting possibilities of the individual effects, as well as their positioning (before, or after the preamp).Mustang III V2
Sound options that leave nothing to be desired.
1×12 “Celestion G12T-100 Watt Speaker
Incl. Foot-switch
100 possible presets
Sound generation (digital).
USB output for speaker-emulated digital recording
Phone
He also sounds very soft.Super Champ X2 (Combo)
2x 6V6 tube and 1x 12AX7 tube
1×10” 15 Watts Speaker
Connection for an external speaker
16 possible Presets
Channel 1 has a great Fender sound (clean)
Note:
I have reduced the factory setting in the middle from 10 to 5.
Channel 2 (Modeling) with “Fuse”.Sound generation
Channel 1 and channel 2, preamp (digital) and full tube stage (analog)
USB output for speaker-emulated digital recording
By choosing (Fuse) other speaker systems, the combo also sounds like a really big amp.
This is very cool. Sometimes I want the 10 “speaker and sometimes not.Superchamp X2 (Head) + SC112 Enclosure
The SC X2 (Head) is effectively, like the SC X2 (Combo).
The difference is reduced (in this case) to the Speaker SC112 Enclosure.
1x 12 “Celestion G12P-80 Watt Speaker.The speaker simulation on the SC X2 with the Fuse software is impressive. I have a 212 box to compare.
My conclusion:
The Mustang III V2 is an absolutely cool amp.
He has for me but so many storage spaces that I will not use.
Because of the compatibility it is, for me, more confusing, as I will not use many possibilities.
100 watts are not so easy to control in the home studio volume. Nevertheless, it goes!
I would want this amp, if I wanted to try the sounds very much.
The settings can be controlled via the display, which is not possible with the smaller Amps from Mustang.
The sound lacked the warmth (for me); But I believe that it is due to my lack of ability to adjust the amp correctly.I chose the Superchamp X2 (Head) + SC112 Enclosure.
With this variant, the Fender Clean-Sound on channel 1 was more pleasant.
The 10″ speaker (Combo) was also nice in some settings.
But, I can simulate this sound of the 10″ speaker also with the 12″ speaker.
I think, however, that I will be more in the area of the 12” sounds.And ….. thank you for your kind support and help with my decision.
Rgds
WilfriedPlay guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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