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January 11, 2020 at 2:17 am #157355
Hello,
I like it, to use tabs or notation sheets for guitar-playing. And so, the new Improvisation challenge EP 327 sets me in panic (lol). At the moment, I have problems with the 12/8 measures and the very slow tempo. (too much place for many tones). My first action is, to increase the speed by “Riffstation”. I’ll try my best, but I can’t promise anything. Am I the only-one with such “problems”?Dieter
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January 11, 2020 at 3:57 am #157360
Dieter,
Totally with you on this. When Brian said slow blues, I thought to myself: “This is gonna be easy..”, but then I looked at the lesson and heard the backing track. 12/8 time ? What the h… ? Had to ask Google about that one.
Also, Brian said it was the slowest one he ever did at 43 bpm. However, if there are 12 beats per measure, then this must be 129 bpm, 3 times higher ! And then the ‘8’. So 1/8 notes in 12 beats, then most of them will be off-beat ? I don’t get it, more googling needed…..
Maybe someone else can help us ?Peter
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January 11, 2020 at 4:04 am #157362
Hi 12/8 time is a bit different from the norm it’s still 4 beats to the measure but each beat has 3 1/8 notes so there are 12 notes in the measure it’s the same as 4/4 time with 1/8 note triplets, so the count is 1 and a 2 and a 3 and a 4 and a = 12 notes per measure with four beats . Hope this helps , cheers martin
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January 11, 2020 at 5:23 am #157365
Hi Martin and Peter,
it’s totally right, there are 4 x 3 8ths at each measure – that’s clear. But for instance I can’t get a feeling for chord changes or phrases at such a slow tempo. And so I try to change the 12/8 into 4/4 by a faster playing. My next step will be, to record a fast rhythm part over Brian’s Backing track. Maybe it will help me for a acceptable Lead part?Dieter
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January 11, 2020 at 7:58 am #157373
Dieter, I awent to 327 first thing when Brian mentioned it was the next monthly.. I first watch and follow along with the intro and part two videos. .. than I go to the soundslice and anything I have a tough time ( the first few measure themselves are nothing to rush through.. It’s always good to first find the rhythm.. the key of coarse and than the count.. it’s all here .. can slow the speed loop it refer to the video and his fret fingers patterns etc.
okay hope this helps too, I honestly didn’t dive into it yet but will probably tonight!
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January 11, 2020 at 10:31 am #157381
Dieter and Peter,
You could think of the jam track having a 6/8 time signature, if that makes it any easier. In fact, that’s what Brian even said in the announcement, so it made me research. The EP327 lesson shows 12/8 time because of the long lead phrases so the jam track fits either 6/8 or 12/8 time. The difference between 12/8 and 6/8 is just in the “phrasing”, the 12/8 would have one accented beat per measure and 6/8 would have two accented beats per measure.The 12/8 count would be: 123456, 223456, 323456, and so on.
The 6/8 count would be: 123456, 223456, 323456 …Peter, 12/8 means there are 12 8th notes per measure, or 4x 8th note triplets. The lesson tempo is actually 55bpm, I don’t know why Brian said 43…
The Soundslice shows all the chords which helped me practice following the chord changes. I agree with John (sunburst), it’s always good to find the rhythm first. Two days of messing around and I can follow the chord changes now and something is starting to bud.
Hope this helps, and thank goodness for Google 🙂
🎸JoLa
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January 11, 2020 at 12:01 pm #157388
Hi Jola I’m a bit confused with your counting for 12/8 time , I am sure and I apologise if it’s not but the way I believe it’s counted is in groups of 3 with an accent on the first beat so 123,223,323,423 = 12 eighth notes and four beats to the bar likewise 6/8 would be half of 12/8 so it’s counted 123456 with accents on beat 1 and four so two beats to the bar . Do you agree or am I missing something . Cheers martin
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January 11, 2020 at 12:27 pm #157390
Yes, Martin, I totally agree with you. I sort of took a shortcut there with the 12/8 time just to show different accent but you’re right, there should be 12 beats total in 12/8, like you said. Thanks for clarifying! 🙂
🎸JoLa
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January 11, 2020 at 12:47 pm #157392
Ok cheers , I’m enjoying putting this challenge together it really tests your thinking and takes you out of the comfort zone which is what it’s all about I’m already six bars in and loving it 🎸🎼🙂
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January 11, 2020 at 1:38 pm #157394
Yep, our awesome teacher sure knows how to challenge us! It’s fun when it clicks, that’s the way to do it! 😃😎
🎸JoLa
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January 11, 2020 at 3:05 pm #157401
FEEL the rhythm, feel the slow One-Two-Three-Four pulse of the beat, tap your foot, play to the rhythm.
Like people dance or sway to a beat even though they aren’t counting it out in their head.
There’s a clear 1-2-3-4 beat, very slow, but it’s there, and that’s what I’d play to. -
January 11, 2020 at 7:11 pm #157409
FEEL the rhythm, feel the slow One-Two-Three-Four pulse of the beat, tap your foot, play to the rhythm.
Like people dance or sway to a beat even though they aren’t counting it out in their head.
There’s a clear 1-2-3-4 beat, very slow, but it’s there, and that’s what I’d play to.We need a like button on this one CM.
The melody of the notes is what expresses the art of music . 🙂 6stringerPete
It really is all about ”melody”. The melody comes from a language from our heart. Our heart is the muscle in music harmony. The melody is the sweetness that it pumps into our musical thoughts on the fretboard. 🙂 6 stringer Pete
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January 12, 2020 at 6:00 am #157435
Timing and playing the notes properly for both hands keep it light and closer to strings .. whether fingerstyle or picking,,it is better to pick slow soft/lightly on the strings as possible rather hitting hard or trying play fast and sloppy is important
Another tip I can share is to use the features here that will over time help build proper skills to make the most out of practice sessions .. keeping a steady foot beat/tempo to what you are doing with your fingers on both hands
practicing rhythm and lead solos .. the best way is keep the lesson speed as slow as you need to realize that section before moving on..
the first thing I try to do is get the right hand strumming to a steady tempo with the rhythm or even the solo riffs and licks
so easy to slow the speed for each measure in the soundslice that can also be looped in sections
even Brian’s third slow walk through videos can be slowed down much more by clicking on the settings icon in the lower right .. there you can change the speed from normal to less.. enough sometimes even extra slower speeds offer more to get through a tough measure
and with all that, I still rush through strum way to hard .. it is also best not to strum or pick hard or try to pick fast before actually learning the lesson.. slower is best speed will come after every riff and lick is completed as Brian demonstrates
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