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August 7, 2018 at 5:52 pm #106974
30 members responded to my post “What about the August 2018 Lesson Challenge”. Many good ideas were put forward, and I have summarized (as best I could) the results:
(1) Virtually everyone agreed that we should just do another Open Challenge for August.
(2) 7 members were in favor of always doing Open Challenges.
(3) 8 members were in favor of everyone playing the same lesson, usually selected by member votes.
(4) Several members said they would like a mix of pre-selected and open lesson challenges.
(5) There were a few other interesting ideas, like pick one lesson from the previous month.So if we want the monthly challenge process to go forward automatically without human intervention, we need to figure out a way where we can accommodate those who favor playing a selected lesson, and those who favor an open challenge. The open challenge is easy, since no human intervention is required, it would just happen. The selected lesson challenge is more difficult, since a lesson has to be selected, either by someone or by vote. Here’s how that could happen: After the August challenges are completed, whatever member thinks of it first could put up a post “Vote for the September Lesson Challenge”. That member would then be responsible for tallying up the vote and putting up a post like “The September Lesson Challenge – EP999”.
An unanswered question is, how to balance the open vs selected lesson challenges. Here are some options I thought of (maybe you can think of some other ones):
(1) Every month you can choose to play the “Lesson of the Month” or just the lesson of your choice. So if you really hate the lesson that was selected by vote, you can just play any lesson.
(2) Maybe we alternate so that every other month we have a selected lesson, then an open lesson.
(3) Maybe we have open challenges less frequently, like twice a year.
The first option would seem to accommodate everyone’s preference, and the 3rd option is more or less how we’ve been doing it.
If you give me your opinion on the 3 options, I’ll tally them up and post the results. Little by little we might be able to come up with something that works.
Sunjamr Steve
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August 7, 2018 at 6:09 pm #106976
I think picking a lesson from the previous months output gives you a choice and also a common thread were all doing 1 of 4/5 + maybe a couple 2 micro lessons instead.
Flexible but on theme
The onus is then on Brian to produce a mix of output for the month
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August 7, 2018 at 7:00 pm #106985
That’s actually a good idea for a challenge theme, i.e. “Pick any of 4 or 5 lessons posted last month” or some other random month, for that matter. I think it could be incorporated into whatever option we eventually decide on.
🎸JoLa
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August 7, 2018 at 6:15 pm #106977
I’d like to see a selected lesson arrived at by vote, with the option to choose your own.
Also, since the last Friday of August will be the 31st, it wouldn’t hurt to put up “Vote for the September Lesson Challenge” during the Challenge. Is that when we’re posting the August Open Challenge submissions?
Don D.
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August 7, 2018 at 6:23 pm #106978
Steve, its nice to see you stepping in with some great ideas.
I do agree on the August “Open Challenge” lesson seems to fit the bill just nice.Starting in September to keep the challenges in order and to really even give advance notice to the following challenges, I suggest for September we start with EP001 and continue in order with the following months. October will be EP002, November will be EP003. This is one of the ways to continue the Monthly Challenges with some stability and a form of direction.
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It really is all about ”melody”. The melody comes from a language from our heart. Our heart is the muscle in music harmony. The melody is the sweetness that it pumps into our musical thoughts on the fretboard. 🙂 6 stringer Pete
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August 7, 2018 at 8:32 pm #106998
Hey Pete, I thought of some kind of sequential approach also, but then I realized this: If Brian never produced another lesson, since we are now on EP268, at the rate of one lesson per month it would take us 22 years to arrive at EP268 being the lesson of the month.
And here’s something else I just remembered: Bryce used to categorically reject lessons that he considered too difficult for newer members, so that more people would be able to participate. And he avoided fingerstyle lessons, since some members don’t do fingerstyle at all. I guess this is where Option 1 above would get around this problem, since if the Lesson of the Month was too difficult or required a playing style people didn’t feel comfortable trying, then there would be the fallback option of just playing whatever they wanted to. That way Lights – our fingerstyle guru – would always be able to play some fingerstyle, and Sunburst John would be less bored listening to all the posts (kudos to him for saying what some of us were probably thinking).
Sunjamr Steve
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August 7, 2018 at 6:35 pm #106979
I vote for option (1).
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August 7, 2018 at 6:45 pm #106981
I’m easy with any preference, but do think the open Challenge is the best way.. there are many that may not have an interest in a choice lesson for personal reason (too difficult to easy or just rather devote more time in so many the hundreds of lessons,, also I do believe is most fun with open challenges knowing we get reminded of some fantastic older overlooked lessons..yeah the more lessons we see, the more creative skills come to mind.. ( not video artistic skills) lol but yeah , not having to watch forty or so entries do the same composition,, even if there is good improvisation,, it still can get boring listening same lesson.. much less boring with the open challenges,, I always looked forward to the open challenges but will have it anyway it is voted.
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August 7, 2018 at 6:51 pm #106983
I’m easy with any preference, but do think the open Challenge is the best way.. there are many that may not have an interest in a choice lesson for personal reason (too difficult to easy or just rather devote more time in so many the hundreds of lessons,, also I do believe is most fun with open challenges knowing we get reminded of some fantastic older overlooked lessons..yeah the more lessons we see, the more creative skills come to mind.. ( not video artistic skills) lol but yeah , not having to watch forty or so entries do the same composition,, even if there is good improvisation,, it still can get boring listening same lesson.. much less boring with the open challenges,, I always looked forward to the open challenges but will have it anyway it is voted.
John, you made an excellent point about the “Open Challenge” approach.
The melody of the notes is what expresses the art of music . 🙂 6stringerPete
It really is all about ”melody”. The melody comes from a language from our heart. Our heart is the muscle in music harmony. The melody is the sweetness that it pumps into our musical thoughts on the fretboard. 🙂 6 stringer Pete
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August 7, 2018 at 6:55 pm #106984
To maximize participation I’d say option 1. But keep the two open challenges in there as well. One around now in honor of Brian’s birthday. So I guess 1 and 3.
As far as choosing a lesson I think someone has to handle it, maybe rotate with members agreeing to do it for one year at a time? Without a Boss it becomes chaos. Just my opinion.
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August 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm #106987Anonymous
I’m just a newbie here but here’s my two cents.
How about something along the lines of Pete’s idea of starting at 001, 002 003 etc.
Maybe use the same concept but pick one lesson each month from every category starting with the first one. So it would go in order of Arpeggios, Artist Series, Beginner, Bluegrass, Blues Acoustic, Blues Electric, etc and keep cycling through the list. It would be relatively easy to keep track of and there would be a variety of skill, techniques and genres.
I know this won’t please everyone but it will push boundaries and force players out of their comfort zones.
Anyway like I said, my Two cents.
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August 7, 2018 at 7:16 pm #106988
I agree with sunburst.
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August 7, 2018 at 7:21 pm #106989
I’m just a newbie here but here’s my two cents.
How about something along the lines of Pete’s idea of starting at 001, 002 003 etc.
Maybe use the same concept but pick one lesson each month from every category starting with the first one. So it would go in order of Arpeggios, Artist Series, Beginner, Bluegrass, Blues Acoustic, Blues Electric, etc and keep cycling through the list. It would be relatively easy to keep track of and there would be a variety of skill, techniques and genres.
I know this won’t please everyone but it will push boundaries and force players out of their comfort zones.
Anyway like I said, my Two cents.
Ivan, that is a very good idea also. I kind of grows from thoughts of keeping the Challenges with a form of direction and help keep it organized.
Thanks.The melody of the notes is what expresses the art of music . 🙂 6stringerPete
It really is all about ”melody”. The melody comes from a language from our heart. Our heart is the muscle in music harmony. The melody is the sweetness that it pumps into our musical thoughts on the fretboard. 🙂 6 stringer Pete
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August 7, 2018 at 7:24 pm #106990
I agree with sunburst.
Sunburst really does have a good point there. When I do may consolidated block comments all at one time, well, it doesn’t get boring to me because my comments tend to be a bit quirky at times. 🙂
The melody of the notes is what expresses the art of music . 🙂 6stringerPete
It really is all about ”melody”. The melody comes from a language from our heart. Our heart is the muscle in music harmony. The melody is the sweetness that it pumps into our musical thoughts on the fretboard. 🙂 6 stringer Pete
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August 7, 2018 at 7:30 pm #106992
Steve,
I admire your analytical mind, thank you for doing this. I think it’s hard to argue with Option 1 so that’s my vote.Personally, I do like to see what others have done with the same lesson but on the other hand, it’s also cool to see what others have picked in open challenges. I think Option 1 is a good compromise. And by the way, the “lesson of the month” does not always have to be a particular lesson, it could be a theme, just like Bryce used to mix it up a bit. “Pick any 2 Microlessons”, “pick in the style of…”, or “any LEG lesson” and so on….
So we already have Don D. volunteer to consolidate the responses (thank you, Don!), maybe you would want to be in charge of the challenge lesson picks and deadlines and therefore challenge announcements?
Also, if we vote for anything, we should allow more time for responses. You know, different work schedules and different time zones 😉
🎸JoLa
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August 7, 2018 at 7:48 pm #106994
Thanks Steve for organizing and compiling this. I definitely don’t want these to go away!
I chose option 1.
-Doug
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August 7, 2018 at 7:50 pm #106995Anonymous
It isn’t just the music. Or the lesson. You could have just as much fun if you made everyone stand instead of sit…sing for at least 10 seconds……do an entire song without looking at the fretboard. Its a way to have an open pick, which everyone seems to like, yet turn it into a real group challenge.
If Participation is the important thing, people just starting can’t be forgotten, we all know how insecure you are at first.
But…..I’m a go with the flow guy and follow willingly you who have been around for a long time. You know best. All I know is the Potato Woman has a tamborine and is dying to “get her blood up” as she says.
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August 7, 2018 at 8:07 pm #106997
Option 1 is good for me.
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August 7, 2018 at 8:33 pm #106999Anonymous
Forgot to mention following my suggestion thst my choice would have been option 1.
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August 7, 2018 at 9:09 pm #107001
I vote for option one.
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August 7, 2018 at 9:13 pm #107002
I agree with sunburst.
Sunburst really does have a good point there. When I do may consolidated block comments all at one time, well, it doesn’t get boring to me because my comments tend to be a bit quirky at times.
That’s why I love you buddy! I always look forward to your take.
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August 7, 2018 at 9:53 pm #107005
I vote for option 1. And thanks for organizing this, Steve.
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August 7, 2018 at 10:38 pm #107009
Thanks for kick starting this Steve, let’s go with option 1.
Scott
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August 8, 2018 at 12:24 am #107012
I am for option 2. I think this will accommodate all preferences.
Thanks Steve for aggregating the options.
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August 8, 2018 at 2:13 am #107020
I am going for option 1. I would also prefer a vote for which lesson we are going to prepare for. Since every participant would have the choice to play something entirely different, we would always have an element of Open Challenge, so it doesn‘t get monotone.
JoLa and Tom have some good points to consider in the future I think.
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August 8, 2018 at 2:16 am #107022
Thanks Steve for all you are doing here. I vote for option 1.
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August 8, 2018 at 2:40 am #107025
If it goes the option 1 route, then is there not a danger of Active melody’s back catalogue become ignored as some of us can spend the whole month learning the challenge piece on its own, It would also discriminate in some cases against beginner players, I am sure Bryce chose the challenges carefully so they would give something to all levels of players.
Not much of a fan of option 2 tbh, Why don’t you just pick up the chalice( you seem keen enough to be a the forefront of organising this) and run with the format that Bryce started, it works very well for the vast majority and if there are too many “says” to whats what, then things will start to get complicated.
And anyway we still have “Showcase your playing” for those who want to pick their own progress path.Option 3 is how we do it as is, no need to change that format as the “opens” are seen as a bit special
..Billy..
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August 8, 2018 at 3:25 am #107027
Thankyou Steve for opening this important subject.
My opinion is that, whilst voting for next month’s challenge is democratic, it would not be sustainable in the long run. We members already trip over what day the challenges have to be in, (is it the last day in the month or the last Sunday in the month etc etc) Over and above learning the monthly challenge, voting and collating the future challenges is a brave undertaking but fraught with delays, hiccups and confusion.
My preference would be to have a monthly challenge picked by an individual member (as was with Bryce) and rotate that responsibility every 6/12 months so it doesn’t become an onerous task. If members don’t like the selected challenge, they can post a ‘Showcase your Playing’ (as is now)
I would also suggest there is at least 4 Open Challenges per year to give freedom of choice for individuals.I am really surprised that Brian has not entered this debate so far, maybe he’s leaving it to us to sort things out, but apart from his skill as a teacher the monthly challenges are an important and valuable reason for belonging to Active Melody.
Richard
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August 8, 2018 at 5:03 am #107031
I vote for option 1.
How about an option 1* in which it is usually option 1 but every few months extra discipline is applied from someone, saying this month it will only be lesson EP***?! This is fairly similar to option 2 but not quite the same.
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August 8, 2018 at 6:00 am #107037
Option 1 gives the best of all worlds. I like the open challenge option as you can pick a lesson that jives with something you might be concentrating on at the moment and not be pulled away from that by something designated. A concurrent fixed option would continue to show how different players interpret the lesson.
Richard’s idea of rotating the responsibility for organizing the designated challenge suggestion is a good one, unless somebody wants to take this on. Did we agree on the deadline? Last Fri of the month and subsequent weekend works for me.
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August 8, 2018 at 6:17 am #107038
I really liked the way that we were doing it. It was nice to see how I compare with others on the same lesson. Even though I am not as good as others it was nice to see me “closing the gap” somewhat.
However, doing any lesson from August for September, sounds like a good option. It gives flexibility but there is still structure. This is what I vote for.
Thanks everyone for you insight.
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August 8, 2018 at 9:17 am #107044
Great suggestions Steve.
I think of option 1.
This is very convenient as you can take the chosen lesson, or you can take one yourself as it fits better with your current learning goal. In principle, I had already positioned myself in my other post. Hereby you will meet everyone.
Thank you for your constructive efforts Steve!Wilfried
Play guitar just like you live; don't get bogged down in theory, it's just a tool without feeling.
Wilfried
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August 8, 2018 at 9:23 am #107046
Unfortunately I was not in the position to post showcases, follow the forum or even visit the AM-site for quite some time, so I only got into the discussion just 10 minutes ago.
Thank you Steve for your efforts to make the Challenges work and John, John, Don and all the others for your good arguments. It would be really sorry if we would not enjoy the Challenges that much anymore in one way or the other, cause it is a great feature of the AM-site.
Anyway, I vote for (1)
Regards,
Patrick
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August 8, 2018 at 2:00 pm #107057
I’m all in with Option 1. It seems the most reasonable for always pleasing everyone the biggest part of the time.
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August 8, 2018 at 2:20 pm #107058
A challenge is a a challenge. Open or specific, or anything in between. Doesn’t make any difference to me. My challenge is, do I really want to record it.
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August 8, 2018 at 3:23 pm #107063
A challenge is a a challenge. Open or specific, or anything in between. Doesn’t make any difference to me. My challenge is, do I really want to record it.
Hahaha. Yes for me also, that is a challenge in itself.
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August 8, 2018 at 4:04 pm #107064
Thanks for taking this on Steve.
I will go along with any of the 3 suggestions. I like #1 but I also like to see how others interpret and solo over the lesson (some form of what we now do). Perhaps that can be somewhat accommodated by saying choose from last months lessons both EP and micro. Then better chance some will be the same lesson.
In the end agree with Robert 1950, a challenge is a challenge.Richard S
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August 8, 2018 at 6:48 pm #107076
I have an interesting idea, maybe nobody else will. It would require very little member commitment. It would work like this. This month is going to be an open challenge during the transition it seems, good plan. So after all the entries are in for this challenge, one of the people who submitted gets to pick the next month challenge. It could be an open or lesson challenge. The only human factor would be to figure out how to pick a random person from the previous months entries. Could be as simple as drawing a name out of a hat. Of course someone would have to be in charge of drawing a name. This would be yet another incentive to enter the monthly challenge, because you could pick the next months challenge. Anyway, just a thought…Scott
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August 8, 2018 at 7:17 pm #107077
Okay with me.
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August 9, 2018 at 7:02 am #107092
Option 1 for me also. Good job, Sunjamr, in compiling all the data and coming up with suggestions!
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August 9, 2018 at 7:55 am #107095
Hi Everyone,
I also vote for option #1. Steve, thank you organizing all this. You are my hero. I told you that already, didn’t I?
I also agree with Sunburst. Open Challenges let us listen to many great pieces and they can help us get inspired and take some piece for the next challenge. And as you probably have noticed already much more people participate in Open Challenges than in chosen ones. Listening to the same piece played by many people can be a bit boring as Sunburst mentioned.I think the whole point here is to play the guitar and get as much practice as possible and have fun with it. The chosen lessons can be sometimes too difficult for some of us and offputting and we don’t want that.
Thank you,
Slawek
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August 9, 2018 at 11:18 am #107099
Option 1.
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August 9, 2018 at 11:41 am #107106
It is now near 10 days into the month and nothing concrete from the management, Would it be an idea to forget a challenge this month( do a showcase instead) and ask (put pressure on) Brian to sort out the monthlies starting September?.
..Billy..
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August 9, 2018 at 11:53 am #107109
Forget a challenge this month? Never!!! 🙂
Let’s carry on with the Open Challenge. I thought it has been decided already.Slawek
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August 9, 2018 at 12:12 pm #107110
Forget a challenge this month? Never!!!
Let’s carry on with the Open Challenge. I thought it has been decided already.“Never”… hahaha
..Billy..
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August 9, 2018 at 12:28 pm #107112
I’m in for an Open Challenge for this month. Due weekend of August 31 – September 2?
-Doug
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August 9, 2018 at 12:30 pm #107113
Once decided, does anyone have ability to do the forum Sticky?
-Doug
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August 9, 2018 at 12:47 pm #107116
Hi all.
I like the idea of picking any previous month lesson . There use to be between 20 to 30 reply’s per month, this way would be easier to do not get bored by earing 25 times the same (more or less well played) song. Also, is a balance with open challenge and directed one since you would be able to choose between 4 or 5 lessons. Also it would be difficult that you’r alone playing one.
We could 100% open July (Brian) and December (kristmas).
As I mention in other posts, Monthly challenge is one the big features of this site. Hope still ailive.
I will adapt to any decission on this … as some said .. a challenge i a challenge
Thanks a lot Steve for taking care of this in so clear way.
Regards from Barcelona
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August 9, 2018 at 1:17 pm #107117
HI everyone,
I would like to stress that the challenges should not be repelling to beginners and/or slow learners. I remember that I posted my first challenge one in August 2017, and the theme was EP204 with hybrid picking parts. At this time, I was not confident enough to showcase such a difficult tune (for my level). However, I listened carefully to Bryce’s videos aiming to motivate everybody – whatever his/her level of skills – to post his/her playing. And I did it!
I could understand why Bryce was deserving his title of Chief Motivational Officer! I think that Bryce was always on the same line for choosing the challenges: motivate every AM member to find something attractive enough for participating.
This spirit of motivation, is, in my opinion, the major asset of the forum and its challenges. Should we loose this spirit, it will not take long for the challenges be the garden of a few big players!
These are my 2 cents (it’s your expression in the US, right ?!!).
I really hope that Brian can find someone with these motivation skills – among other prerequisite ! –
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August 9, 2018 at 2:15 pm #107119
I think Phil has hit on something here which may have been overlooked so far. That is the encouragement that beginners need in order to overcome nerves and have the courage to post challenges. That is why I believe we need one person choosing the monthly challenges (temporary or permanent) in the way that Bryce did. If we decide on the challenges by democratic voting, the most experienced and confident members will naturally, and in many ways unconsciously, sway the choice to suit their own requirements and as I think Phil hinted, change the face of Active Melody by leaving the beginners behind.
Perhaps the answer lies in breaking up what Bryce undertook as one task as Chief Motivator.
1) Don has already volunteered to consolidate the challenges and already done a sterling job with the July posts.
2) We need one person (temporary or permanent) to choose and set the dates for the Monthly Challenges. (including some Open Challenges)
3) Brian could nominate someone from his team to act as Site/Member Motivator.Just a few thoughts ……
Richard
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August 10, 2018 at 3:28 am #107162
I think Phil and Richard make some very important points here in emphasising the need to motivate and encourage members of all levels of experience, in the way that Bryce did very effectively. Although lots of us have supported option 1, does this maybe need a little more refinement?
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August 10, 2018 at 4:43 am #107163
I think Phil has hit on something here which may have been overlooked so far. That is the encouragement that beginners need in order to overcome nerves and have the courage to post challenges. That is why I believe we need one person choosing the monthly challenges (temporary or permanent) in the way that Bryce did. If we decide on the challenges by democratic voting, the most experienced and confident members will naturally, and in many ways unconsciously, sway the choice to suit their own requirements and as I think Phil hinted, change the face of Active Melody by leaving the beginners behind.
Perhaps the answer lies in breaking up what Bryce undertook as one task as Chief Motivator.
1) Don has already volunteered to consolidate the challenges and already done a sterling job with the July posts.
2) We need one person (temporary or permanent) to choose and set the dates for the Monthly Challenges. (including some Open Challenges)
3) Brian could nominate someone from his team to act as Site/Member Motivator.Just a few thoughts ……
Richard
That goes hand I’m hand with my thinking and suggestion from a few replys back, Just use the showcase until someone is put in charge, without someone to lay down the challenge then it is not a challenge, Don did a great job collating last months renditions but as he is only a normal punter the same as the rest of us he has no access to sticky or editing(after a time limit).
..Billy..
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August 10, 2018 at 4:57 am #107164
To say that a challenge is not a challenge unless laid down by another is not right in my view. Surely if you declare your challenge lesson at the beginning of the month and then do the best you can with it at the entry time you will have challenged yourself! But for others to be sure that this is the case it is necessary to commit your intention by publication at the beginning.
Then an open challenge can indeed be seen to be one.The great advantage here is that the differing skill levels are self setting. Management becomes straight forward in that a thread is opened for a set period where all who wish to enter may place their entry detail and then it should be closed say a week or two prior to the publication date. And the only rule needed is if you don’t declare the challenge in the listing you will not be entered for that month’s challenge. Also setting the entry and ending dates could be published for the year ahead. Does this cater for or obviate most of the objections raised in this discussion?
JohnStrat
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August 10, 2018 at 5:35 am #107165
I vote for 5 post August
You could do all the popular suggestions on a rotation basis
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August 10, 2018 at 3:53 pm #107219
Hi all,
Just coming to this discussion a week late… I have just come back from my Summer Holiday and I am now catching up on the Active Melody happenings..
First, thanks to Don for taking on the consolidation of the Monthly posts.. and thanks to Bryce for all of his excellent work and advice over the previous years..
So are we saying that August is an Open Challenge? I am aiming to start practicing this weekend…
I choose Sunjamr’s Option 1: after transition month August, choice of current month’s given challenge lesson, or an open choice. Furthermore, I like Scotty’s really great idea above.. so why don’t we do an open challenge for August, and then one of the August submitters chooses the challenge lesson for September, and nominates someone from the August submitters to choose the challenge lesson for October (while members still always have the choice of an open Challenge a la option 1)..
Hope I am making sense!
Rich F
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August 11, 2018 at 6:54 am #107260
Well I’m really late to the game on this one….. I just read (skimmed) the discussion thread regarding our potential solutions to Bryce’s departure and our Challenge Exercises….Please excuse these late thoughts. I think uniformity lends more meaning to the Challenge. If you are playing a “whatever you like lesson”, you may as well post in “Showcase Your Playing”….They are one in the same from a practical standpoint.
To that end, I’d suggest 2 lesson options each month. One more difficult and one less difficult….both chosen by Brian himself. This way we are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges…Brian would do a simple video announcement as to what he has chosen with a brief explanation as to why.
That’s my two cents. Again, my apologies for getting into this discussion late in the game.
Marty
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August 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm #107274
I like that idea Marty. After voting for option 1 I think your’s is the best because it is supposed to be all about a challenge and not just showcasing our playing that can be done in the other thread.
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August 12, 2018 at 7:04 am #107315
Thanks for commenting James. Let’s see how it plays out.
Have you noticed if Brian has commented on this?
Marty
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August 12, 2018 at 8:20 am #107320
Here we go… Brian has posted the August Challenge. Talk about a challenge! 😉
https://www.activemelody.com/forums/topic/participate-in-the-august-2018-member-challenge/
🎸JoLa
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