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    • January 24, 2019 at 10:33 am #122952
      Dave K
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        I have been working on EP266 for a couple weeks now, and am having a fit with this one section, which is towards the end of the first video. The attached image shows the tab of the little part I am talking about. I just cant get the speed down on this thing anywhere near what Brian plays it without fumbling all over the place. I have been playing it slowly over and over, and gradually a little faster now for 3 nights straight, and still cant get it. I get to a point where I think I got it, then put the Jam Track on, only to fumble over the section again. Just curious, anyone else go through this lesson and have an issue with this little part? If so, how long did it take to get through it and finally get it up to speed? I haven’t even started on the 2nd video yet… more challenges await on this one I’m sure!

      • January 24, 2019 at 10:56 am #122954
        charjo
        Moderator

          Dave,
          Haven’t worked on that in a while and not quite sure I got it up to 100% tempo but what I do is strict alternate picking and when I come to the 4th note I make a two string bar. I rock the bar to prevent ringing of the second string while I play the fifth note, re-establish the bar and hold that until the 8th note. Now my ring finger stays put while I dowstroke the subsequent chords with the hammer-ons. You’re probably doing the same thing and it’s just fast. The key is holding the fingers in place and lots of practice. Next option (for most of us) is slowing the backing track tempo in your DAW and coming back to it when we develop more picking speed;-)
          John

          • January 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm #122973
            Dave K
            Participant

              Thanks, John! I am doing similar picking and fingering to what you describe. My picking is just not fast enough to keep up in this particular section, and it almost seems like it might never be hehe. No issues up to that point though at full speed. I have gotten it to the point where I can somewhat keep up in the On Screen Tab Viewer, which seems to be about maybe 20% slower than the actual jam track. Last night I looped just that section from the on screen tab viewer and played it over and over for probably a good 20-30 min straight. Thought I had it down so went to the jam track… close but no cigar. Just gotta keep at it and maybe my speed will improve enough.

          • January 24, 2019 at 1:41 pm #122972
            Dieter
            Participant

              Hi Dave,

              Brian plays this part with the 16th notes out of half Bar Chords and so only the Pinky moves. And I think that s the only way, to play that with speed. Also the part with 8th notes are played of half bar chords. The little embelished notes have no own counting, but have to be played also with the Pinky as fast hammer-ons.
              For practising perhaps you should divide the whole part in micro steps in super Slow motion. I myself often make the mistake, to hold the breathe at difficult passages. Better is, to remain relaxed and to breathe slowly and regularly.

              Dieter

              • January 24, 2019 at 1:50 pm #122975
                Dave K
                Participant

                  Dieter, that is interesting. I need to go back and really watch his fingering through that section when he plays it in the beginning of the video. Also, I am definitely guilty of not slowing things down as much as I should when I am first trying to learn something.

              • January 24, 2019 at 1:47 pm #122974
                sunjamr
                Participant

                  I’ve finally got that lesson down 100% and up to tempo. It took a while. What I do is: When I hit the note on the 7th fret 2nd string, I throw a bridge onto the two highest strings at the 7th fret, play the 9th fret notes with my ring finger, except for the hammer on which I do with my little finger. An easier version is to just play the top two strings on the last two beats, rather than the top 3 strings as Brian has tabbed. Either way sounds good. For picking, my pattern is:

                  down up down up
                  up down up down
                  down down
                  down down down

                  Sunjamr Steve

                  • January 24, 2019 at 2:09 pm #122978
                    Dave K
                    Participant

                      Thanks, Steve. I do the bridge across the first and 2nd string after the note on the 7th fret 2nd string as well, and I think that is right about when I fumble most of the time. I think by the time I get there, I am already just slightly behind and then try to rush it, which is never a good thing. I was actually thinking of maybe an easier version that would still sound pretty similar. I am actually ok with the part where you strum the top 3 strings and hammer on with the pinky, it is just getting there in the correct timing that is really throwing me off. I will have to give your picking pattern a try tonight. I think I am doing strictly back and forth down ups through all the single picked notes.

                  • January 24, 2019 at 2:53 pm #122987
                    richard t
                    Participant

                      All good advice. I do it the way Dieter suggests. I fret the B and e strings with my index finger and the G string with my ring finger, leaving a little fret room so I can get my pinky in there. All the ninth fret notes on the first two strings are played with the pinky. That leaves you in perfect position to slide down to the 5th fret.
                      I start alternate picking with an upstroke and play all the strums with down strokes.
                      Whether your first stroke is up or down won’t make much difference, but if you only move your pinky and alternate pick, your speed should pick up.
                      But you have to play through it very slowly until you can get through it without mistakes, say 5 times in a row, then gradually increase your speed.
                      Good luck. You’ve chosen a difficult and fast lesson, but it sure sounds great.

                    • January 24, 2019 at 9:38 pm #123004
                      Dave K
                      Participant

                        So, I have to really thank everyone that responded here. Just spent the last probably 35-45 minutes looping through this section in the on screen tab viewer, starting it off slow, and working my way up to 120%, and I finally got it! Two things that really helped me was the up pick that on the 5th note in the tab (high E 7th fret… I was down picking this before. Thanks Steve!), and just starting it pretty slow and working up to speed. It wasn’t easy, but I got it down now (I think) and it feels good. Thanks everyone!

                      • January 25, 2019 at 3:45 am #123009
                        Vojtech
                        Participant

                          Let’s get technical with picking here, as this is a nice example.

                          There are two main “ways” in which players hold their pick and use it – Downward and Upward pickslanting. After a downstroke, your pick is either “captive” between strings (then you are slanting downward) or “free” above (then you are slanting upward). It’s way easier to change strings when your pick is “free”.

                          Demonstration of different pickslants:

                          This comes into play on the fifth note of the bar.

                          If you religiously alternate pick with downward pickslant, the pattern becomes :

                          • Down 9 on E (captive)
                          • Up 7 on E (Free)
                          • – change strings –
                          • Down 9 B (captive)
                          • Up 7 B (free)
                          • – change strings –
                          • Down 7 E (captive)
                          • – change strings – !!! problem !!!
                          • Up 9 B (free)
                          • Down 7 B (captive)
                          • – change strings – !!! problem !!!
                          • Up 9 G (free)
                          • … strum …

                          This becomes problem at higher speeds, as you have to free the pick from captive position and change string, which is a problem.

                          This “puzzle” can be solved in multiple ways.
                          You can pick up the 5th note (which forces you to to make a movement from “free above B” to “below E” and then pick E upward, remaining free for a next note.
                          You can change your pick slant, so that you remain free on downstroke instead of upstroke. That would look like

                          • …
                          • Down 9 B (captive)
                          • Up 7 B (free)
                          • – change strings, change to upward pickslant –
                          • Down 7 E (free)
                          • – change strings – no problem !!!
                          • Up 9 B (captive)
                          • Down 7 B (free)
                          • – change strings – change back to downward pickslant –
                          • Up 9 G (free)
                          • strum …

                          Or you know, just wing it, as sane people do 😉

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                        • January 25, 2019 at 5:19 am #123011
                          snakechisler
                          Participant

                            Really interesting discussion, decided to run through this to see how i play the bars posted

                            so for the 1st eight notes its

                            Up, Down, Up, Down,

                            Down, Up, Down, Up,

                            the hammer on barred bits are all down-strokes

                            I had to go over Brian’s fingering and picking pattern in quite a few of the passages on this bars 16/17 I had to work on / alter my picking and end of 19 + bar 20

                            old habits die hard

                            It is a wondrous lesson that keeps on giving stick with it Dave

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